Dundee Courier ‘Morrissey kissed me on the cheek’: Remembering historic Smiths gig in Dundee 35 years ago (September 25, 2020)

In the "Dundee Courier" 'nostalgia' section (!) a trip down memory lane to The Smiths concert at the Caird Hall 35 years ago to-morrow.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/nos...g-historic-smiths-gig-in-dundee-35-years-ago/

Interviews with a few fans, with the attendant legally-required footnotes and apologies du jour {í am sure these people do disagree with whatever they believe to be his 'right-wing views', but there obviously is the thought that if you go public with any sort of Moz luv now, even in the 'nostalgia' section, to avoid the risk of on-line abuse in the wonderful world of 2020, you have to deliver such as the following ~ “I’m not a supporter in any way, shape or form of Morrissey’s controversial comments, quotes and opinions over the intervening years and find them deeply offensive” }

Otherwise, a sweet piece. Would be interested in seeing the snaps of M. feeding grapes to the competition winner backstage. They must be out there? Or ritually burned? In fact, it might have been more interesting to get an interview with that girl. She probably went into a coma that night. í would...

Plus, you get a nice Sheila Rock pic ~

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Local historical note: Gayle Anderson, the 2nd interviewee, was the pop editor of "Jackie" magazine at the time of the concert, published by D.C. Thomson & Co, who also publish The Courier, a publishing company who were infamous in Scotland for being anti-Catholic, and indeed never employed 'Papists' until they were basically forced to by law, well after the point when Ms Anderson worked there. í wonder if she found that 'deeply offensive' during her time as Pop Editor?

ps ~ "The Courier" also happens to be the publication where Murray Chalmers, Morrissey's EMI PR chum, currently writes a weekly "Food & Drink" Lifestyle column. Funny how things turn out...

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Nerak

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It is funny how 'right wing' is used as a term of abuse while 'left wing' is rarely used in the same derogatory way. Stalin and Mao make Hitler seem like an amateur.
Morrissey has always been anti-establishment. That the establishment is pro-mass immigration tells you everything you need to know about Moz's political views.
The establishment is pro controlled immigration. It's the policy of all the main parties.

The Guardian once admitted that Moz's 2007 immigration mutterings were mainstream & not extremist.

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Loony left, militant, far left - have all been used as terms of abuse. The arts is pretty much all centre left or right, with a bit of a hankering to be radically left - so it does give a slightly false impression of the left's status.
 

Nerak

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To be fair, the in-built socialist guilt is probably as strong as Catholic guilt. The fact that Moz is so authentically working-class that he was born in an actual slum probably gives a few middle-class larpers the horrors. Which might be why they obsess about him being a millionaire tax exile.

This was domestic novelist Elizabeth Taylor on it:
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joe frady

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I’m not a supporter in any way, shape or form of Morrissey’s controversial comments, quotes and opinions over the intervening years and find them deeply offensive

I'm envisaging a future in which we'll be asked to sign a waiver including this language before entering the venue for any UK show of Morrissey's.
"T-shirt mate?"

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carlislebaz

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ah well not much you can say about that.think i will go to chapel and pray for you.
Is that the chapel that sells beer gordy😁😁 I was in my local yesterday and we HAD to were face masks, if you were sitting down at a table it was ok , but if you went to the toilet or were playing snooker or table bowls you had to wear a mask .... yes very annoying and I got told off a few times. It really is unbearable now....
 

gordyboy9

GAME OF DEATH.
Is that the chapel that sells beer gordy😁😁 I was in my local yesterday and we HAD to were face masks, if you were sitting down at a table it was ok , but if you went to the toilet or were playing snooker or table bowls you had to wear a mask .... yes very annoying and I got told off a few times. It really is unbearable now....
i wish.i was out friday night,mask was on and off every two minutes,total pain,worst thing is the ten o clock finish.and they say this could last six months,and they wonder why theirs protests.
 
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carlislebaz

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i wish.i was out friday night,mask was on and off every two minutes,total pain,worst thing is the ten o clock finish.and they say this could last six months,and they wonder why theirs protests.
I was back home by 8.. don’t think I’ll be venturing back , it’s to much hastle to have a few pints nowerdays
 

gashonthenail

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The establishment is pro controlled immigration. It's the policy of all the main parties.

The Guardian once admitted that Moz's 2007 immigration mutterings were mainstream & not extremist.

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Loony left, militant, far left - have all been used as terms of abuse. The arts is pretty much all centre left or right, with a bit of a hankering to be radically left - so it does give a slightly false impression of the left's status.
You're delusional. The reason the great unwashed voted to leave the EU was because of open borders. The big corporations want open borders. Ordinary people don't.
And you've made my point for me. 'Left' is only a term of abuse if you add 'loony' or 'far' to it. Whereas 'right wing' is used in the article above to disparage Morrissey's views - full stop. 'Left wing' is rarely used as a term of abuse on its own in that way. In the UK at least.
 

Nerak

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You're delusional. The reason the great unwashed voted to leave the EU was because of open borders. The big corporations want open borders. Ordinary people don't.
And you've made my point for me. 'Left' is only a term of abuse if you add 'loony' or 'far' to it. Whereas 'right wing' is used in the article above to disparage Morrissey's views - full stop. 'Left wing' is rarely used as a term of abuse on its own in that way. In the UK at least.
Freedom of movement within the EU isn't open borders. It cuts paperwork, it didn't mean the UK couldn't deny a person entry or make them leave on grounds other than lack of a work permit.

There was no open border with anywhere except within the four nations of the UK & now we'll have internal borders in N Ireland & Kent. Not to mention increased levels of support for an Independent Scotland & a United Ireland.

Right-wing isn't being used as a term of abuse about Moz - it was used because people didn't expect someone who wrote about guillotining Margaret Thatcher to be right-wing.

Which he isn't.
 

bhops

Last of the famous international screw ups.
Freedom of movement within the EU isn't open borders. It cuts paperwork, it didn't mean the UK couldn't deny a person entry or make them leave on grounds other than lack of a work permit.

There was no open border with anywhere except within the four nations of the UK & now we'll have internal borders in N Ireland & Kent. Not to mention increased levels of support for an Independent Scotland & a United Ireland.

Right-wing isn't being used as a term of abuse about Moz - it was used because people didn't expect someone who wrote about guillotining Margaret Thatcher to be right-wing.

Which he isn't.
Actually it kinda is.
 

bhops

Last of the famous international screw ups.
No.

It cuts some paperwork, it doesn't mean there are no checks or security. It also doesn't mean you won't be asked to leave.
What do you mean by 'no checks or security?'
 

bhops

Last of the famous international screw ups.
If you cross the border from Scotland to England there's nothing there but a welcome/goodbye sign. If you go from England to France you go through a security check.
But provided I have no criminal record I can just go to any EU country I like and start working there etc with no limits yeah?
 

bhops

Last of the famous international screw ups.
No. There are rules around contracts & registration & national security.
Please elucidate. For instance if I am French and previous to the UK leaving the Euro, if I wanted to go to Britain how long could I stay before I'd have to leave?
 

bhops

Last of the famous international screw ups.
It's more the opposite you couldn't leave or you'd have to start again before you could permanently stay. But it's still subject to restrictions & you can still be deported.

And that's still not an open border, that's agreements between countries to coordinate their nationals.
What word salad is this?? I asked a VERY simple question. If I'm French and I wanted to move to the UK, pre-Brexit, how long could I stay for if I wanted to?
 

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