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this song and this double album from pink floyd are HUGE!!!

anyone agree?
 
> this song and this double album from pink floyd are HUGE!!!

> anyone agree?

Sorry pal .... deep and meaninglesds dull prog bollocks. I've always thought the pomposity of Pink Floyd and their ilk was all The Smiths were fighting against. I *do* like early Pink Floyd, when Syd Barrett was in the band, and they wrote nice psychedelic pop songs, but when he cracked up and Roger Waters took over they lost the plot. Anmd as for David Gilmore .....
 
> Sorry pal .... deep and meaninglesds dull prog bollocks. I've always
> thought the pomposity of Pink Floyd and their ilk was all The Smiths were
> fighting against. I *do* like early Pink Floyd, when Syd Barrett was in
> the band, and they wrote nice psychedelic pop songs, but when he cracked
> up and Roger Waters took over they lost the plot. Anmd as for David
> Gilmore .....

interesting point. It seems johnny rotten used a t-shirt where it was written "I hate pink floyd" - anyway, it seems he *did* liked pink floyd.

well, i heard lots of progressive rock and pratically all these groups are really crap (genesis, jethro tull, rick wakeman...) but pink floyd is ANOTHER thing. Some moments of theirs are really from genius. Syd Barret was ok, he made excellent pop songs. But the rest of the guys wrote "set the controls for the heart of the sun", "shine on you crazy diamonds", "echoes", "time" and some other wonderful music.

as for smiths were fighting against pink floyd, i always remember that a proust`s character was an "avant-gardist" one and said to the Narrator that "Debussy was great and Chopin was old-fashionad". And the Narrator from Proust answered that Debussy loved too much Chopin.

We shoud not make a confusion between "Art" and "Mode" - perhaps 1983 was the time to fighting against the past, as the impressionist fought against the classical peinture - but some of the classical ones were ART...
 
> interesting point. It seems johnny rotten used a t-shirt where it was
> written "I hate pink floyd" - anyway, it seems he *did* liked
> pink floyd.

I've never understood why there's this big hatred against Pink Floyd
among punk rockers and so forth. I'm not always in the mood for Floyd,
but when I am, boy are they great. And Dave Gilmore is a fantastic
guitarist. People seem so concerned about "oh what message do I send the hipsters if I listen to this CD?" or "I'm a punk rocker, I can't like this!" it's really sad.

Is it just that they were a big band at the time these others rose?
So the creators of one genre must be attacked by those of another?
Or was it because they did extended songs with great musicianship?
Which fell out of fashion?

I like to seek out the "seminal" artists. Pink Floyd is one
of them. They've given me moments of ecstasy. How can they
be "meaningless" and "dull" when people have followed them for decades?

(As far as pompous, every Johnny Marr interview I've read lately
sounds pompous to me, in the sort of "hipper than though" way. His web site was taken down, but when he answered fans' emails I thought he was a first-class
a*s. Which is odd from someone wasting our time in throwaway acts like Electronic. Talk about meaningless and dull....)

> well, i heard lots of progressive rock and pratically all these groups are
> really crap (genesis, jethro tull, rick wakeman...) but pink floyd is
> ANOTHER thing. Some moments of theirs are really from genius. Syd Barret
> was ok, he made excellent pop songs. But the rest of the guys wrote
> "set the controls for the heart of the sun", "shine on you
> crazy diamonds", "echoes", "time" and some other
> wonderful music.

It seems like half of Floyd's songs are about Syd Barret. It's kinda funny.

> as for smiths were fighting against pink floyd, i always remember that a
> proust`s character was an "avant-gardist" one and said to the
> Narrator that "Debussy was great and Chopin was old-fashionad".
> And the Narrator from Proust answered that Debussy loved too much Chopin.

> We shoud not make a confusion between "Art" and "Mode"
> - perhaps 1983 was the time to fighting against the past, as the
> impressionist fought against the classical peinture - but some of the
> classical ones were ART...

Yeah, and anyway, Morrissey did the song "Southpaw," who would've thought.
I really liked when he did that. Showed me he's got broader taste than
he lets on.
 
Re: echoes: I Got it for Christmas.. with my erotic magnetic poetry set!
 
Gilmour...

...I suppose we have him to thank for discovering Kate Bush. But Pink Floyd after the 70s were not really worth investigating.... 'echoes' could have easily been a single album minus all the fillers.

> HIpper than thou I meant
 
Re: Gilmour...

> ...I suppose we have him to thank for discovering Kate Bush. But Pink
> Floyd after the 70s were not really worth investigating.... 'echoes' could
> have easily been a single album minus all the fillers.

I don't like all of their songs either. Although I have liked some of their post-70s material. Gilmour is one of my favorite musicians.
 
> People seem so concerned about "oh what message do I send
> the hipsters if I listen to this CD?" or "I'm a punk rocker, I
> can't like this!" it's really sad.

brillant point, loafingoaf.

i don`t know - perhaps i am a guy from a city so distant of the rest of the world, so i really don`t care about all this. all people i know just care if coritiba or atlético paranense or paraná will win some soccer games...

i care about coritiba!

> Is it just that they were a big band at the time these others rose?
> So the creators of one genre must be attacked by those of another?
> Or was it because they did extended songs with great musicianship?
> Which fell out of fashion?

yes, all these is a "fashion" thing. Perhaps the fact that i always liked classical music made me indifferent to all these kind of "fights". Sometimes i try to see the music i am hearing as i was in the year 3000 or something - it is a fact that in 3000 nobody will care if pink floyd was old fashioned after the arriving of sex pistols...

> I like to seek out the "seminal" artists. Pink Floyd is one
> of them. They've given me moments of ecstasy.

i understand what you are saying!

> It seems like half of Floyd's songs are about Syd Barret. It's kinda
> funny.

yes? i didn`t know that but this seems interesting indeed.

> Yeah, and anyway, Morrissey did the song "Southpaw," who
> would've thought.
> I really liked when he did that. Showed me he's got broader taste than
> he lets on.

i liked that song too.

and what do you think about the studio version of "jack the ripper"? doesn`t it seem to you some kind of prog or electronic rock too?
 
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