Is Morrissey conservative?

That is the furthest thing from decent journalism that I have ever had the misfortune of reading. Being anti-vivisection makes him a tory? Snash. I'm severely sickened that a small-minded dickwit like this manages to get his witless tripe published in the Guardian, when in actual fact he should be writing for 'The Sun'. He's just another spiteful, dull, shitty little journalist who could die tomorrow, and no-one would really give two shits. BORING!
 
the author of that article has the sort of face i want to beat with a cricket bat
 
the author of that article has the sort of face i want to beat with a cricket bat

he's ugly as hell.

"Brendan O'Neill is deputy editor of spiked, the online magazine with the modest ambition of making history as well as reporting it. He started his career in journalism at LM (Living Marxism)"

well that explains a lot. the austrian communists and ultra-lefties I know aren't much smarter to be honest - and all of them VERY anti animal rights. these are exactly the people that have accused the animal rights movement here to be right wing. suuuuuure.
 
he's ugly as hell.

"Brendan O'Neill is deputy editor of spiked, the online magazine with the modest ambition of making history as well as reporting it. He started his career in journalism at LM (Living Marxism)"

well that explains a lot. the austrian communists and ultra-lefties I know aren't much smarter to be honest - and all of them VERY anti animal rights. these are exactly the people that have accused the animal rights movement here to be right wing. suuuuuure.
Morrissey conservative?! What a nonsense. You might rather say that Brendan O'Neill is conservative. I would think that, in year 2006, everybody should be aware that Marxism is a retrograde ideology. Don't those morons at Guardian understand that?! But nothing surprises me, they've published even worse rubbish in the past. When Prime Minister Zoran Djindjic was assasinated, they published a pro-Milosevic rant from one of those British Marxists, who called Djindjic 'a quisling' (of 'American imperialism and New World Order' blah blah blah) for having extradicted Milosevic to Hague tribunal! :mad: Are they still supposed to have any credibility?!
 
After reading that article and the majority of 'loser' comments on that page, I do not know how any British fan can put down us Americans? You are just as f***ed up!! I mean f***, you also have idiots on a grand scale.

I see you guys also have a hard time deciding/figuring out what it means to be a conservative. It's really not that hard.


For those who must know, Morrissey is not conservative. Some may make the mistake due to his nostalgia for the past, including for a culture that is fundamentally British. So people assume he is against outsiders (a conservative trait).

so nostalgia + National Front Disco = Conservative

that's false because NFD is a criticism of skinheads, a criticism done in a Morrissey-way (the Morrissey-way always had been too complicated for dumbasses...thus the lack of appeal to the masses). and the nostalgia in morrissey is personal to morrissey, it shouldn't be politicized by dumbass journalists looking to sensationalize their way into journalist stardom--as this journalist is trying to do, and looking at the comments on the page, a lot of people are stupid to fall for it.

I am not going to comment on the journalist's comments on vegetarianism. What a joke. I

t's dip shits like this in England, that makes Morrissey want to flee England. You guys really have a tabloid problem there. Tabloid journalism made up to look like real journalism. It's pathetic. It's not even conservative journalism--it's tabloid journalism, in this case written by a conservative.
 
After reading that article and the majority of 'loser' comments on that page, I do not know how any British fan can put down us Americans? You are just as f***ed up!! I mean f***, you also have idiots on a grand scale.

I see you guys also have a hard time deciding/figuring out what it means to be a conservative. It's really not that hard.


For those who must know, Morrissey is not conservative. Some may make the mistake due to his nostalgia for the past, including for a culture that is fundamentally British. So people assume he is against outsiders (a conservative trait).

so nostalgia + National Front Disco = Conservative

that's false because NFD is a criticism of skinheads, a criticism done in a Morrissey-way (the Morrissey-way always had been too complicated for dumbasses...thus the lack of appeal to the masses). and the nostalgia in morrissey is personal to morrissey, it shouldn't be politicized by dumbass journalists looking to sensationalize their way into journalist stardom--as this journalist is trying to do, and looking at the comments on the page, a lot of people are stupid to fall for it.

I am not going to comment on the journalist's comments on vegetarianism. What a joke. I

t's dip shits like this in England, that makes Morrissey want to flee England. You guys really have a tabloid problem there. Tabloid journalism made up to look like real journalism. It's pathetic. It's not even conservative journalism--it's tabloid journalism, in this case written by a conservative.
That was a good rant, Puddle, though I think mine was angrier. :)

I just have to correct one thing: you shouldn't make the common mistake of referring to skinheads as neo-Nazis. That subculture is very diverse and consists of groups with very different political beliefs: some skinheads are neo-Nazi, some are very anti-racist, some are staunchly left-wing, and some aren't interested in politics.
 
That was a good rant, Puddle, though I think mine was angrier. :)

I just have to correct one thing: you shouldn't make the common mistake of referring to skinheads as neo-Nazis. That subculture is very diverse and consists of groups with very different political beliefs: some skinheads are neo-Nazi, some are very anti-racist, some are staunchly left-wing, and some aren't interested in politics.

what? are people trying to win back that word from neo-nazi's?

A skinhead is a skinhead. No, not all baldies are neo-nazi's, but a skinhead is a skinhead nevertheless.

I guess defining people/terms is a hard thing to do over there afterall.

My rant is better. :cool:
 
I think some people confuse a respect for the past and an interest in history with nostalgia. I have never heard Morrissey wish he were still living in the sixties or seventies. Like most intelligent people he realises there are things to be said for and against every era. As an artist he realises the past is something that we need to investigate because it's responsible for where we are now. It's a great source of material.

There seems to be a prevalent view that if you don't accept everything modern and new as better than what happened in the past then you are conservative and backward looking. The ideology of progress is just as dangerous as any other ideology. It basically just serves capitalism because it's about fashion which is about selling us loads of crap we don't need. Surely everything should be judged on it's worth rather than how "new" it is?

You wouldn't expect people writing for the Guardian to realise that though, them being liberals who balk at any real radical change that might threaten the status quo. Incidentally for a liberal, left leaning newspaper I've never read so many rabid small minded people on a message board until I read their boards, and that's the posters that consider themselves left wing!
 
what? are people trying to win back that word from neo-nazi's?

A skinhead is a skinhead. No, not all baldies are neo-nazi's, but a skinhead is a skinhead nevertheless.

I guess defining people/terms is a hard thing to do over there afterall.
I'm feeling a bit lazy so I'll just quote the Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads

Skinheads, named after their shaven heads, are members of a working class subculture that originated in Britain in the 1960s, where they were heavily influenced by the rude boys of the West Indies and the mods of the UK.

In subsequent decades, the skinhead subculture spread to other parts of Europe, North America and other continents. Politically, they range from far-right racist to far-left anti-fascist — and everything in between (including apolitical). Fashion-wise, they range from the more cleancut mod-influenced 1960s image to the less-strict punk- and hardcore-influenced styles.

(...)

Racism and anti-racism

In the late 1960s, some skinheads (including black skinheads) had engaged in Paki-bashing (random violence against Pakistanis and other South Asian immigrants).[10][11] However, there had also been anti-racist and leftist skinheads from the beginning, especially in areas such as Scotland and Northern England.[12] [13] In the 1970s, the racist violence became more politicized, with the involvement of far right organizations like the National Front and British Movement, which included many skinheads among their ranks. Those organizations' positions against blacks and Asians appealed to many working class skinheads who blamed immigrants for economic and social problems. This led to the public's misconception that all skinheads are neo-Nazis.

In an attempt to counter this negative stereotype, some skinheads formed anti-racist organizations. Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice (SHARP) started in the USA in 1987, and Anti-Racist Action (ARA) began in 1988.[14] SHARP spread to the UK and beyond, and other less-political skinheads also spoke out against neo-Nazis and in support of traditional skinhead culture. Two examples are the Glasgow Spy Kids in Scotland (who coined the phrase Spirit of 69), and the publishers of the Hard As Nails zine in England.[15]


(...)

Political categories

White Power, Nazi-Skinheads - Racist, extremely nationalistic and highly political. Despite the common moniker, many Nazi-Skinheads have no connection to the original skinhead culture in terms of style or interests. SHARPs and traditional skinheads often refer to them as Boneheads.

Anti-racist (SHARP) - Aggressively opposed to neo-Nazism and racism, although not always political in terms of other issues. The label SHARP is sometimes used to describe all anti-racist skinheads, even if they aren't members of a SHARP organization. Some anti-racist skins have been involved with political groups such as Anti-Fascist Action (AFA) or Anti-Racist Action (ARA). White Power and Traditional Skinheads often refer to them as Baldies.

Left wing - Anti-racist and anti-fascist, taking a militant pro-worker stance. This category includes Redskins and Anarcho-Skinheads. The most well-known organization in this category is RASH.

Right wing - Conservative and patriotic, but not necessarily extreme or fascistic. This type of skinhead seems to be common in the United States.

Apolitical or Centrist - Anti-political skinheads, politically moderate skinheads, or skinheads that keep their political views out of the skinhead subculture. Skinheads on either extreme of the political spectrum sometimes refer to this type as a fencewalker.
 
Right so I'm used to articles by inept and bored idiots along the lines of Morrissey: 'Is he a rascist', 'He's miserable you know', 'Wish ed shut up bout Radio 2', 'Not playing in Canada, f***er' and the always refreshing 'I, you know prefered the Smiths'.:rolleyes: This is basically screaming WHAT'S THE f***ING POINT'. Man goes to Moz concert for no reason, sees Cameron there and thinks 'Aha I can make a story out of this' and 3 trips to wiki and his own confused ramblings and BAM you've got 'Why pop star who isn't a member of ,or vote and hates the Tory party.. is actually a Tory'. 'Oh be shares similar beliefs to Torys like erm nostalgia, oh oh he has a song, he's afraid of foresigners'. And ofcourse people over the age of 40 dancing should be banned from concerts, it should just be miserable idiots who stand around judging everyone and celeb spotting.
 
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I'm feeling a bit lazy so I'll just quote the Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads

now you see, this is why things get so complicated when defining people in the UK. here in the states skinheads means neo-nazi's...by the time it reached N.America it meant neo-nazi's. We could get technical and seek historical accuracy but my point is it's best to let it go and accept the fact the neo-nazi's took the term to represent themselves and now it is by large associated with only neo-nazi's.or maybe it's the media that overused that term to mean neo-nazi's. regardless, it is what it is.
 
Essential Conservatism - Free market economy, supporting big business, personal liberty and responsibility, low taxes, the nation state.

Not quite sure how anyone can tell really if Morrissey fits into any of that apart from the nation state bit.
 
I was always under the impression Morrissey dislikes politicians of all political persuasion. If he doesn't like something/someone he'll say.

He's probably more socialist but who knows? There are many on the left who don't like Blair, doesn't make them Tory.

I would also refer anyone to 'Interesting Drug', 'Margaret On The Guillotine' et al.
 
After reading that article and the majority of 'loser' comments on that page, I do not know how any British fan can put down us Americans? You are just as f***ed up!! I mean f***, you also have idiots on a grand scale.

I see you guys also have a hard time deciding/figuring out what it means to be a conservative. It's really not that hard.


For those who must know, Morrissey is not conservative. Some may make the mistake due to his nostalgia for the past, including for a culture that is fundamentally British. So people assume he is against outsiders (a conservative trait).

so nostalgia + National Front Disco = Conservative

that's false because NFD is a criticism of skinheads, a criticism done in a Morrissey-way (the Morrissey-way always had been too complicated for dumbasses...thus the lack of appeal to the masses). and the nostalgia in morrissey is personal to morrissey, it shouldn't be politicized by dumbass journalists looking to sensationalize their way into journalist stardom--as this journalist is trying to do, and looking at the comments on the page, a lot of people are stupid to fall for it.

I am not going to comment on the journalist's comments on vegetarianism. What a joke. I

t's dip shits like this in England, that makes Morrissey want to flee England. You guys really have a tabloid problem there. Tabloid journalism made up to look like real journalism. It's pathetic. It's not even conservative journalism--it's tabloid journalism, in this case written by a conservative.


We have a tabloid problem, but the USA has the National Enquirer, CBS and Fox News. Therefore the USA wins. At least the BBC attempts impartiality.
 
This guy's a dimwit. It makes me want to DIE of embarrassment every time I hear something Morrissey-related that 'Dave' Cameron's said/done; it must make poor Morrissey cringe as well. I mean exactly - "I've been dreaming of a time when the English are sick to death of Labour and Tories".

And the bullshit about upper-class 'animalism'?! Toffs like animals because they provide them with sport and profit. Animal rights campaigners believe animals exist to provide us with neither. DUH.

I was originally going to say "I think he might sometimes be conservative with a small 'c'", but actually, I'm not sure I even think that. What a stupid article.
 
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