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<blockquote data-quote="Mr. Jackpots" data-source="post: 1987167263" data-attributes="member: 27696">My main problem with the song is that it's hard for me to take seriously a song about the gritty realities of war and about how the rich manipulate young working class men into dying for oil when the song is sung by a 60 year old dandy who can't even carry his own luggage at the airport. He knows nothing about the front lines and he has no business singing from the point of view of someone who does.He can sing about jilted self-conscious drama queens and about how he stays in bed all day while the plebian &quot;enslaved workers&quot; eek out a living by the sweat of their brow. That stuff's well within his wheelhouse. But I don't need to hear that old fop sing war songs,&nbsp; regardless of how good the song itself is.I've never heard Master Of War by Bob Dylan. I have mixed feelings about Dylan. Everybody and his brother worships him so I'll concede I'm probably missing something.&nbsp; Same with the Grateful Dead. But I, personally, don't get it.I'd say though that 60s and 70s protest songs are a little different because of the zeitgeist around Nam and because of the way the war catalyzed art and culture. So, while I don't see the appeal of Dylan, I accept that he was the most competent artistic mouthpiece for the anti-war populace. I see no relation between him and Morrissey where credibility is concerned inasmuch as singing war songs. And I see no parallel between the world 40 or 50 years ago and the world now. The culture is totally numb and dead now. Morrissey's not a mouthpiece for the anti-estsblishment. There IS no anti-establishment anymore. It's ALL establishment. It's like his stupid anti- police song. He can defend the blacks all he wants but he's so politically sloppy...he has no cohesive stance. Black Panther / Black Lives Matter rhetoric in one hand, and in the other it's endorsements amd flirtation with alt-right figureheads and ideologies.Morrissey's not really that smart. It took me a long time to realize that.He's just a washed up old bitch grasping at artistic relevance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mr. Jackpots, post: 1987167263, member: 27696"] My main problem with the song is that it's hard for me to take seriously a song about the gritty realities of war and about how the rich manipulate young working class men into dying for oil when the song is sung by a 60 year old dandy who can't even carry his own luggage at the airport. He knows nothing about the front lines and he has no business singing from the point of view of someone who does. He can sing about jilted self-conscious drama queens and about how he stays in bed all day while the plebian "enslaved workers" eek out a living by the sweat of their brow. That stuff's well within his wheelhouse. But I don't need to hear that old fop sing war songs, regardless of how good the song itself is. I've never heard Master Of War by Bob Dylan. I have mixed feelings about Dylan. Everybody and his brother worships him so I'll concede I'm probably missing something. Same with the Grateful Dead. But I, personally, don't get it. I'd say though that 60s and 70s protest songs are a little different because of the zeitgeist around Nam and because of the way the war catalyzed art and culture. So, while I don't see the appeal of Dylan, I accept that he was the most competent artistic mouthpiece for the anti-war populace. I see no relation between him and Morrissey where credibility is concerned inasmuch as singing war songs. And I see no parallel between the world 40 or 50 years ago and the world now. The culture is totally numb and dead now. Morrissey's not a mouthpiece for the anti-estsblishment. There IS no anti-establishment anymore. It's ALL establishment. It's like his stupid anti- police song. He can defend the blacks all he wants but he's so politically sloppy...he has no cohesive stance. Black Panther / Black Lives Matter rhetoric in one hand, and in the other it's endorsements amd flirtation with alt-right figureheads and ideologies. Morrissey's not really that smart. It took me a long time to realize that. He's just a washed up old bitch grasping at artistic relevance. [/QUOTE]

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