Morrissey interview in athinorama.gr (Greek)

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I think it's perfectly obvious to all that what you are primarily is an attention-whore who is more concerned about endlessly posting your impenetrably verbose, self-admiring diatribes. If you seriously believe anyone reads them carefully and in detail, you are beyond deluded. What applies to JB also applies to you in equal measure: the spectacle of the same few people coming here every day trying to claim moral superiority over a pop star is the most utterly pathetic, irrelevant pointless exercise. Don't you have a family? Or indeed a life?

Yes, I have a family and a 'life'. I'm also relatively rich, almost retired and looking after a dog with cancer. Hence, my time is free to muse on issues from the spectacularly trivial to the utterly profound. I'll leave it to you to decide which category "Morrissey" musing fall into.

If I'm an 'attention whore', just put me on 'Ignore'. Oh, wait, you're 'anonymous'. Yet you follow my posts? Don't you have a family? Or indeed a life? *rollseyes*

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I have attended 5 of his shows in the States and I never he never showed any documentary. Last time was a couple of years ago.
 
How do you know he isn't vegan? Are you sitting next to him while he eats? Perhaps the O2 said yes to meat free but no to vegan?

You and your attention-seeking trolling is so old. Perhaps a hobby would take up the all the spare time you have to write such boring posts.

If the o2 said "no" to meat but "yes" to cheese, then equivalent animal suffering goes into the production of cheese as it does into steak. So his gesture is exactly that, a gesture. No, I'm not sitting next to him to grind salt on his chips whilst he eats.

I have lots of hobbies. This is one of them. Thanks for playing!

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People, stop responding to BrummieBoy's posts. As long as you react to him, he keeps coming back. I mean, this is really simple stuff: if you want him to go away, don't give him attention. Don't give him attention, and he will go away. It's not like he thinks that he's doing something important. He's just trolling to see people's reactions. That's all he wants. (I know I'm reacting to him now. I won't do that again.)

I agree with 'trask'. Just put me on 'ignore' and get back to your cult babble. I will soon lose interest if I don't get any feedback. Like "Morrissey" I'm 'just trolling to see people's reactions". My bad! Lulz...Etc

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You read all of them and comprehend none of them.
The story of your life.
Don't you have some Robin Cook novels to read? LOL!

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Morrissey's #1 admirer

FBE. Why do you feel confident stating that I don't comprehend his posts? Just because you perceive them as convoluted does not mean others do. Present an argument to justify your claim instead of resorting to lazy character assassinations.

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I have lots of hobbies. This is one of them. Thanks for playing!

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I have wondered about the band and this video for a while as Morrissey did not use this tactic on the last tour I saw him on in America. Does the band actually turn around and watch it with the audience or do they stand forward playing to the crowd? I can't imagine the drummer cricking his neck to watch. I agree with you about the crowd switching off...a few might resonate to it, but there have to be better ways for him to actively convert carnivores to vegies.

It's a powerful video, but it's about cruelty in the meat production process, not about the act of killing animals for food. That's why I posted this video from Denmark showing that it's possible to separate out the two issues. You can be totally against animal cruelty but have no problem with eating humanely slaughtered animals. Morrissey just mixes up these distinct issues into a shock-tastic montage and then presumably enjoys seeing the looks of revulsion amidst his audience.

I assume his band are kept on a 'retainer' for living expenses between tours/albums. If so, are they allowed to eat meat so long as it's not 'on tour'? Fascinating stuff.

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Actually he showed the Farm to Fridge video as well as the PETA egg farm animated video on the American tour this spring. I was there.

Were eggs used in the o2 menu as well as cheese? If so, what's the point of using PETA footage or 'Farm To Fridge' as it covers meat, dairy and eggs?

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"Most of his band aren't vegan/veggie"

Where does this idea come from?

Where does your idea that they're vegan/veggie come from?

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Huh? Every time I have seen Meat Is Murder performed in the US it has been accompanied by the Meet Your Meat video. What "sparing" are you referring to?

If there is anything I hope never leaves the setlist, it is Meat Is Murder. With the visuals. The more people are disgusted and made to feel "uncomfortable," the better.

But isn't he more concerned that people stop eating meat than that they feel "uncomfortable" or grossed-out? I know a few on the boards have claimed that this tactic worked for them, but showing a video to a crowd that 90% already know what's coming does what exactly? I find the selling of the stencil quite telling in that it shows that he is quick to display a video or sell a stencil, but glacial in pace to actually do something that requires effort, energy and potentially (god forbid) money to speak to the issue directly to a mass of people. For someone whose world view appears to be so large...his actions quite often seem small in comparison.
 
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I disagree. He posts his insights because he has something intelligent and original to say. He is an outlier on a fansite of group thinking, cult members. Somebody needs to stir the pot lest the place become solely infested with cookie cutter, fawning sycophants all spouting the same unoriginal, predictable drivel, indistinguishable from one another. And many are anonymous to boot. Same nameless, voice.

Thankyou. I was thinking of you when I posted the video from Crown Slaughterhouses in Denmark. The issue of 'animal abuse' and 'animals as food' is linked, but not as simplistically and gormlessly as 'MIM' suggests. Whilst I loved that song as a page of rage from an adolescent diary in 1984, it's 30 years on and the fact that Morrissey still doesn't get that allowing 'cheese goujons' on the menu at the o2 is really no different than allowing hamburgers shows he's not kept up to date with these debates.


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Please co-operate and 'play the game'. It's actually very funny. Morrissey is taking trolling to the next level as an Art Form. Even though he answered the questions in English, I'm sure he stipulates that only the foreign language translation is put online, thus forcing the 'fans' to feed it into Google Translate resulting in nonsense which cannot be reliably parsed. Thus, the Rumour Mill about all his pet topics such as his 'cancer' can be fed and whir away in the background.

He's taking the piss. Morrissey, I see you trollin'! But it is very, very funny.

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Relax. You are imagining things.
 
For any new people that don't know what "FBE" means it's Faith Based Epistemology. RB made up this term to dismiss ideas that she feels are based on faith and to showcase her intelligence with the multisyllabic and "intelligent sounding" word epistemology. She was hoping it would trend like a literati meme but so far only she thinks it's revolutionary.
 
Thankyou. I was thinking of you when I posted the video from Crown Slaughterhouses in Denmark. The issue of 'animal abuse' and 'animals as food' is linked, but not as simplistically and gormlessly as 'MIM' suggests. Whilst I loved that song as a page of rage from an adolescent diary in 1984, it's 30 years on and the fact that Morrissey still doesn't get that allowing 'cheese goujons' on the menu at the o2 is really no different than allowing hamburgers shows he's not kept up to date with these debates.


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Thank you for sharing the video. It makes a powerful argument. And doesn't resort to torture porn to make emotional appeals. I witnessed absolutely no cruelty or suffering. I agree with your sentiments regarding the MIM video and his cheese-hypocrisy.
 
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I have wondered about the band and this video for a while as Morrissey did not use this tactic on the last tour I saw him on in America. Does the band actually turn around and watch it with the audience or do they stand forward playing to the crowd? I can't imagine the drummer cricking his neck to watch. I agree with you about the crowd switching off...a few might resonate to it, but there have to be better ways for him to actively convert carnivores to vegies.

Morrissey has used this footage for many years now. It's nothing new. Meat is Murder was released in 1985!
 
For any new people that don't know what "FBE" means it's Faith Based Epistemology. RB made up this term to dismiss ideas that she feels are based on faith and to showcase her intelligence with the multisyllabic and "intelligent sounding" word epistemology. She was hoping it would trend like a literati meme but so far only she thinks it's revolutionary.

It's an excellent term and easy to understand. Unlike Unicorns and Tarot cards.

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I have attended 5 of his shows in the States and I never he never showed any documentary. Last time was a couple of years ago.

Weird. Which locations? Perhaps those venues did not have the facilities for video projection. At any rate, your experience was not the norm for US shows.

But isn't he more concerned that people stop eating meat than that they feel "uncomfortable" or grossed-out? I know a few on the boards have claimed that this tactic worked for them, but showing a video to a crowd that 90% already know what's coming does what exactly?

Do they? In my experience, 90% (at least) of the population is totally ignorant about the realities of how their meat got to their plates. Yes, they know it's a dead animal, and yes, they may have some kind of vague sense of what goes on in a slaughterhouse, but that is quite a bit different from actually seeing it.

Even with 25+ years of vegetarian and later vegan living under my belt, I am still profoundly affected by Meat Is Murder (the song). That effect is multiplied live, and even further with the accompanying visuals. I said this in another thread recently, but I don't believe there's some point that a person can reach where they are doing everything "right" when it comes to not eating animals or using animal products. It's a day-to-day thing that requires making conscious choices, and those choices can be made individually by people who have all kinds of dietary habits. Calling yourself a vegan or a vegetarian isn't about achieving perfection, just like being an omnivore does not exclude a person from being capable of opting out of contributing to animal slaughter as often as they feel possible. The labels don't really matter as much as the individual choices do.

For someone whose world view appears to be so large...his actions quite often seem small in comparison.

It may seem that way, but I cannot count the number of people I have encountered in my life who attribute their vegetarianism or veganism directly to Morrissey. I would venture to guess that he is responsible for more people going down that path in the past 30 years than anyone else.
 
Do they? In my experience, 90% (at least) of the population is totally ignorant about the realities of how their meat got to their plates. Yes, they know it's a dead animal, and yes, they may have some kind of vague sense of what goes on in a slaughterhouse, but that is quite a bit different from actually seeing it.

Even with 25+ years of vegetarian and later vegan living under my belt, I am still profoundly affected by Meat Is Murder (the song). That effect is multiplied live, and even further with the accompanying visuals. I said this in another thread recently, but I don't believe there's some point that a person can reach where they are doing everything "right" when it comes to not eating animals or using animal products. It's a day-to-day thing that requires making conscious choices, and those choices can be made individually by people who have all kinds of dietary habits. Calling yourself a vegan or a vegetarian isn't about achieving perfection, just like being an omnivore does not exclude a person from being capable of opting out of contributing to animal slaughter as often as they feel possible. The labels don't really matter as much as the individual choices do.



It may seem that way, but I cannot count the number of people I have encountered in my life who attribute their vegetarianism or veganism directly to Morrissey. I would venture to guess that he is responsible for more people going down that path in the past 30 years than anyone else.

Veganism and Vegetarianism are NOT the same thing. Vegetarianism endorses animal cruelty and slaughter in the production of milk and eggs for dietary purposes. Male calves are killed as are male chicklets. It's also an issue of Gendercide as well as Speciesism. Morrissey is a Vegetarian, not a Vegan so he's achieved nothing of note.

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Didn't he show the video in Italy, where he played mostly cement hangars and small clubs? Perhaps he did play it on some occasion but missed, no doubt it would have beer getting time for me at that point.

I don't really idolize pop stars or adopt my eating habits from them, I am not a teeny bopper.
 
Thank you for sharing the video. It makes a powerful argument. And doesn't resort to torture porn to make emotional appeals. I witnessed absolutely no cruelty or suffering.

Strange.

I find that video highly disturbing. Highly disturbing. Ugh. A lot more disturbing that the Farm to Fridge video, to be honest. I'm not vegetarian and I wasn't really planning to become one, but this makes me reconsider.

An eerily automatized environment treating sentient intelligent beings like... things. And why does this happen? Well, because people just don't want to eat something else. The fact that these factories exist makes me think that civilization is still an illusion. I can imagine that if you replaced pigs with dogs in that video and showed it to people, 90% of people would be horrified and speechless. Well, I don't think replacing pigs with dogs is even necessary for that to happen.
 
Veganism and Vegetarianism are NOT the same thing. Vegetarianism endorses animal cruelty and slaughter in the production of milk and eggs for dietary purposes. Male calves are killed as are male chicklets. It's also an issue of Gendercide as well as Speciesism. Morrissey is a Vegetarian, not a Vegan so he's achieved nothing of note.

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Again, how do you know he's hasn't gone vegan? You aren't there when he eats. There are rumors he went vegan this year and you have nothing to dispute that with.
 
Strange.

I find that video highly disturbing. Highly disturbing. Ugh. A lot more disturbing that the Farm to Fridge video, to be honest. I'm not vegetarian and I wasn't really planning to become one, but this makes me reconsider.

An eerily automatized environment treating sentient intelligent beings like... things. And why does this happen? Well, because people just don't want to eat something else. The fact that these factories exist makes me think that civilization is still an illusion. I can imagine that if you replaced pigs with dogs in that video and showed it to people, 90% of people would be horrified and speechless. Well, I don't think replacing pigs with dogs is even necessary for that to happen.

The pigs are rendered unconscious with carbon monoxide. They would feel no pain, just as those human animals who use carbon monoxide for suicide feel no pain as they slip away. All slaughterhouses uses sentient beings as 'things' to be turned into food. That's why I'm vegan. Pigs are just as intelligent as dogs. The fact you eat one and not the other is a symptom of your Carnism:

"Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism" book trailer





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