Police investigating sex attack

I don’t really understand why they don’t name the person accused. I could see it if the police were still investigating but if the case is closed why not say the name. If they want other info putting out the name would be the best way to do that
 
I don’t really understand why they don’t name the person accused. I could see it if the police were still investigating but if the case is closed why not say the name. If they want other info putting out the name would be the best way to do that
How about, because their name would be dragged through the mud and their life ruined without any evidence of it ever having been true? How would you feel if that was you? That's why we have strict reporting laws about these things.
 
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How about, because their name would be dragged through the mud and their life ruined without any evidence of it ever having been true? How would you feel if that was you? That's why we have strict reporting laws about these things.

I didn’t say I wanted them named did I. No, I asked why they weren’t. You could have just said the libel laws here in the U.K. without getting pissy and judge mental
 
I think the investigation probably went something like this: Police phone the accused, "did you grope a groin in the Mandarin Hotel 10 years ago?"

Accused, "No I didn't."

Police, 'Thanks, well looks like this case is closed."

Regardless of whether this 'incident' occurred or not this is a shakedown and I'd say rightly treated as such.
 
Wouldn't that be awesome? :D

No, I know, might be far-fetched, I'm just talking out of my ass. But we have to consider every possibility if we want to get to the bottom of this. Do we? Want to get to the bottom? Does Morrissey?

It kind of seems the o.p. posted in jest, not thinking it was really about Morrissey, but people jumped to conclusions after seeing a silhouette and now it looks like it could well be him, as I seem to remember Boy George is more into radiators anyway.

And yet nobody seems to think it's important. His fans have never seen him hand in hand with a man, they have gossiped for years about his sexuality, you think a rumour about a singer fitting his description groping young men in toilets would interest everybody...

The other possibility I thought of is that Morrissey (accidentally; of course) murdered an escort boy and they made this fairly innocuous story up, as a diversion, while Sam drives frantically around London with the corpse in the boot of the Mini.

Yep. Gotta think like a criminal to solve this. A not very bright one. o_O
I think SunnyBoy posted with obvious intent. Whether he is Sam or not is debatable.
Morrissey: They're calling me a hypocrite over the baby seals u-turn. How are we going to flog these Canada tickets?
Sam: I know, Uncle. Remember that time you got pulled in for feeling up that bloke in the Mandarin bogs? Let's leak it to the press!
As plans go, it's not the best.
 
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I think SunnyBoy posted with obvious intent. Whether he is Sam or not is debatable.
Morrissey: They're calling me a hypocrite over the baby seals u-turn. How are we going to flog these Canada tickets?
Sam: I know, Uncle. Remember that time you got pulled in for feeling up that bloke in the Mandarin bogs? Let's leak it to the press!
As plans go, it's not the best.

:rolleyes:

:grimacing:

doh:
 
Mick hucknell
 
:rolleyes:

whatever monies Flat Top Mike has scammed, it aint from working, thats for sure.
Its from squeezing poor Moz.:(
o_O
that worthless twat never has earned a simple quid in his miserable life.:lbf:
Yes you are right Vegan Cro Spirit. I totally agree with you.

Mike Joyce so far seems to of scammed Morrissey out of around $8 million. I'm guessing that is American dollars. :unitedstates: :dollar:Maybe some of that money belongs to Johnny Marr not sure.

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-stars/mike-joyce-net-worth/


It's confusing on Celebrity Net Worth.com Mike Joyce comes under 'rock stars' :rock: :cool: but Johnny Marr comes under 'actors' :confused: ?

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/johnny-marr-net-worth/

I think some people write it as "Ca-Ching" or "Cha-Ching"! It is meant to be the sound that a cash register/till makes when its drawer is closed after money has been put inside.
 
How about, because their name would be dragged through the mud and their life ruined without any evidence of it ever having been true? How would you feel if that was you? That's why we have strict reporting laws about these things.

But you said you don't know what the laws are about reporting these things. Let me help. It is news that someone is being investigated for a crime. People accused of much more serious crimes are named.
Besides half the people are trying to say it was a misunderstanding and a clumsy drunken mistake so how is that suddenly going to ruin someone's life?
How would I feel if it happened to me? That depends? Am I completely innocent and want to avoid the lasting mark on my name? Or am I guilty of stalking victims in public toilets and have gotten away with it many times? Either way I'd prefer not to be named. But generally the person being accused is not the one who gets the consideration.
 
That could be anyone.



That was written in the US where Bryan Ferry is not iconic and Roxy Music was never A list. They would be seen as a one hit wonder with "Love Is The Drug." Someone like Sting would fit better with that A-list with a group/ B-list solo part.
The Smiths were definitely iconic. A list doesn't show in their very limited US record sales but they were so influential that it can be overlooked. The person that added those details for CDAN is trying to make it look like it's Morrissey, in my opinion. But again, I have doubts whether this is a real investigation. Where is this information supposed to be coming from?
And CDAN does sometimes post things that sound true and are very detailed but then nothing comes of it.
 
Surely people didn't think 'Christian Dior' was written in character, it was autobiographical and a sign of behaviour to come; a man nearing 50 starting to panic about having abstained from certain aspects of life. Wishing he had "run wild and legless", "kissing street boys", doing whatever he pleased in other words. Walking around with his shirt unbuttoned with multiple gold chains around his neck like a sleazy brothel owner as he does now.

Flirting with danger was always intriguing to him, that was evident from the earliest days, if only in observing it in other people back then. The Warhol factory etc, subverting the usual rules of society. That he'd get mixed up in illegality is unsurprising when you consider that he's a man completely without moral scruples. An out-and-out hedonist, promoting childlessness and selfishness since day one. Some grow out of that phase and gain perspective and depth but he didn't. The "let's go out stealing" note slipped by him through Noel Gallagher's door; nothing healthy and normal gives him any satisfaction.

He liked working class people -- but only in soap operas. His only interest in Shelagh Delaney type characters was on the page or on the screen. In person he grows bored easily and uses people then discards them when he can get nothing more from them -- Viv Nicholson, Sandie Shaw. People used as set-pieces in the Morrissey show.

Living a "normal" existence is beneath him, as it is to many narcissists/sociopaths. If it's not on the screen or the page he sneers at it.

Now, if this news story proves to be about him, he's bringing that way of thinking and living to its logical conclusion. He's ending up where people like that often end up; a life of dissolute desperation. In his case living the ex-pat flaneur lifestyle, grabbing men in toilets aged 49, having no responsibilities to anyone or anything. A man just about clinging to his sanity, trying to fix the aching emptiness in his soul by pursuing his basest desires. Trying to make up for a youth mis-spent. Like Liberace did in his later years. Like George Michael when he finally came roaring out of the closet in his mid-30s. Maybe Morrissey's not quite on that level: but imagine travelling from country to country month after month, having no fixed abode. How long before you start craving excitement to distract yourself from the repetition and meaninglessness of your existence?

How long before the barriers start to come down, previous limitations you had set for yourself beginning to seem irrelevant. See Kevin Spacey for a similar mode of thinking. Men who reject nature and they end up paying for it. This will ruin Morrissey once and for all and he did it to himself -- just like all his professional failures have been of his own making although he tries to pass the blame on to others. There's nowhere to hide this time. If it's him, I hope he gets absolutely crucified. He's his own Judas, giving himself/his legacy and by extension anyone who ever supported him the kiss of betrayal.

All the best, gang.
Born to Twang :guitar:
 
Yes every black or gay person that has ever been attacked was lying and this is proof.

Sounds like you’re making an assumption here...is it based on your belief that they all look alike?
 
I wasn't justifying anything, just pointing out that it would seem a highly unlikely "attack" given what we know of Morrissey's personality and his hopeless track record in the arena of love and sex.

He just can't sink low enough for you, can he? He's already a Nazi, a racist, now you're willing to believe he could be a sex offender as well, yet you're still here.
Cut the cord, Skinny, you won't die without him.

You haven't learned anything have you? No, wait, you have learned one thing - he IS a racist Nazi apologist - you're right there - but whether he's a sex offender - I never said he was - do you want to retract that? You, I nor anyone else knows the identity of the people involved, as I've repeatedly said. You have literally zero knowledge if he is or isn't the person involved - very few people do.

And furthermore - regardless of who it was - you seemed to be suggesting sexual assaults were justifiable if they were 'drunken fumbles'. Is that your view, really?
 
I'm inclined to agree. I was sexually assaulted about 25 years ago by someone I thought was a doctor. I was at my (then) boyfriend's house, and had a very minor stomach complaint. He phoned the out of hours doctor for advice, nothing more; so we were both a bit surprised when a doctor - complete with black bag - showed up at the house. He wasted no time in shooing my boyfriend out of the room, then gave me the works: rubber gloves front and back; he even got me to take my bra off while he listened to my chest. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I was quite young and I just thought, well, he's a doctor. I would like to think I'd be wiser now...

Some years later there was a piece in the local paper about a man who had been convicted for intercepting calls to doctors out of hours services with some listening device, and turning up at patients' houses claiming to be a doctor. It was only then that I realised what had happened. Was I traumatised? Emphatically not. Violated, certainly, and more than a bit creeped out. But I can't say it's affect my life in any way.

If the description of what happened to this 'victim' is accurate, I find it very difficult to believe they are 'traumatised'. Absolutely, they have a right to think, 'Why should you do that to me and get away with it?' But talk of 'trauma' is dishonest, and like you say, it trivialises real incidents of assault. This is about extorting money, pure and simple.
f***, that is really creepy though, pep. much more creepy than a guy just waiting outside a bathroom stall to grope a person. the level of calculation it requires to do something like that. sick sick sick. sorry that happened to you!
 
I'm inclined to agree. I was sexually assaulted about 25 years ago by someone I thought was a doctor. I was at my (then) boyfriend's house, and had a very minor stomach complaint. He phoned the out of hours doctor for advice, nothing more; so we were both a bit surprised when a doctor - complete with black bag - showed up at the house. He wasted no time in shooing my boyfriend out of the room, then gave me the works: rubber gloves front and back; he even got me to take my bra off while he listened to my chest. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I was quite young and I just thought, well, he's a doctor. I would like to think I'd be wiser now...

Some years later there was a piece in the local paper about a man who had been convicted for intercepting calls to doctors out of hours services with some listening device, and turning up at patients' houses claiming to be a doctor. It was only then that I realised what had happened. Was I traumatised? Emphatically not. Violated, certainly, and more than a bit creeped out. But I can't say it's affect my life in any way.

If the description of what happened to this 'victim' is accurate, I find it very difficult to believe they are 'traumatised'. Absolutely, they have a right to think, 'Why should you do that to me and get away with it?' But talk of 'trauma' is dishonest, and like you say, it trivialises real incidents of assault. This is about extorting money, pure and simple.

I bet you secretly liked it when he took your temperature...
 
f***, that is really creepy though, pep. much more creepy than a guy just waiting outside a bathroom stall to grope a person. the level of calculation it requires to do something like that. sick sick sick. sorry that happened to you!
Yes it was, but it didn't have a lasting effect on me. I think if I had been more savvy at the time and realised, 'Oh god, this man isn't a doctor,' I might have been more affected. And I could, years later, have got myself all worked up about it and made a complaint, but what would be the point? He already got convicted. And the detailed probing (no pun intended) that would have been required would, I think, turn it into a big trauma where none previously existed. Some things really are better put down to experience. But of course, no-one ever earned a big cash payout from that way of thinking.
 
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