The 1981 gay pride march in Huddersfield - Morrissey spotted in photos?

If you ask me, that's him, no doubt.



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What do we think about him? Spotted in another picture from the article.

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Are all female moz fans fag hags... probably not... this wasn’t my point.... my point was the pair of them discussing parenthood was , in my view probably non existent, or for a giggle when boozy at best

 
I think they were a couple & he couldn't imagine changing nappies & bolted.

But there is nothing that suggests even from his own words that they were a couple of anything but friends.
 
Who hasn't been to a gay pride at some point in their life?
Who cares about what people do with their genitals? As long as consent is in the equation, of course.
I have always admired Moz for refusing to say. Firstly, because it increases his mystique. And an artist should have an aura of mystery. Secondly, because 'gay' is a twentieth century label that is ultimately reductive. In human sexuality there is procreation, and there is pleasure and intimacy - and if you are really lucky in life, perhaps even love. Any why limit where that can be found? Leave storm-god morality for those who want to live as a slave. Anyone with any sense wants to be free. An artist should be free. Always.
 
He seems to think being Forever Alone is his own fault - but what was he up to in Queen's & Trafalgar Square? Any old gossip?
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Queen's square like several of those squares around Bloomsbury were very active cruising grounds in the 80s and 90s for gay men. At night Russell Square was packed with men picking other men up. The police cottoned on to this at some point in the early 90s and regularly entered the park with vans arresting people and it was a losing battle so they installed huge spot lights on top of the building in the square that floodlighted the whole square all night. People moved to other nearby squares such as Queen Square. That whole area was a popular area for gay people to live and had Gay's The Word bookshop etc. Trafalgar square was the key focal point for every gay pride march at that time too. But these are obviously loose connections and who knows really what he is talking about. The problem when a lyricist starts to write a book is that he continues to write as though he is writing song lyrics which can be designed to have many meanings, hidden meanings, vague meanings, multiple meanings but it doesn't work well in what is supposed to be factual literature because because just dont know what he's talking about which defeats the whole point of the book. All adds to the mystery that he is responsible for and why there is a thread this long discussing this subject.

Take a couple of other people at random. Jarvis, he has always been an open person regarding his sexual attraction to women and if you ever see him on stage he comes across as a very sexually liberated individual with nothing to hide about what he likes. He has had some high profile relationships that have never been hidden and everyone knows everything or at least no one is not that interested in it because he isnt hiding anything or being secretive or coy about anything. No one has discussions about his sexuality or his private life.

Then another on, Robbie Williams. He was a bit of a wild child in his early and mid career. He was having many liaisons with many people , men and women. But he stated quite openly that he liked men and women and he gave that air of I dont give a shit what people think. The result of that meant that no one really dug for dirt that much. No one from all those liaisons spilt the beans and the media weren't really interested.

But when someone creates a air of mystery and comes out with words like humosexual and celibacy, and hating sex etc etc then the media and everyone else want to know why and they try to dig and you end up with people talking about it constantly. No doubt one day I suspect the beans will be spilt when someone wants some cash or develops a dislike of the man but in the meantime he will continue to fear walking around soho, continue trying to be mysterious as though it is interesting etc etc

I mean for most of us it is pretty obvious really. His art on sleeves , on stage etc etc have that quite typical gay connection that someone would have to be blind to not see it. I mean I cant think of a straight or even bisexual artist who would put a huge photo of a sailor as their stage backdrop or pictures of other male actors such as Richard Burton etc or a picture of a naked gay porn star on a single. There is subtle gaydar and then there is in your face pretty f***ing obvious gaydar.
 
Morrissey lives in a lonely world because he has no idea how to accept love, he probably has borderline personality disorder, which is impossible to have long term relationships. I think it breaks all of our hearts and the reason why we care about him. Tina, Kristeen,Bowie ,they may have done SOMETHING to him but the punishment never fits the crime with him.
 
Who hasn't been to a gay pride at some point in their life?
Who cares about what people do with their genitals? As long as consent is in the equation, of course.
I have always admired Moz for refusing to say. Firstly, because it increases his mystique. And an artist should have an aura of mystery. Secondly, because 'gay' is a twentieth century label that is ultimately reductive. In human sexuality there is procreation, and there is pleasure and intimacy - and if you are really lucky in life, perhaps even love. Any why limit where that can be found? Leave storm-god morality for those who want to live as a slave. Anyone with any sense wants to be free. An artist should be free. Always.

He isnt free though because he is terrified of saying it and goes to great lengths to ensure no one does see him. Being a mystery because of fear isnt freedom. It may satisfy your need to have mystery from your artists but it doesn't generally really help the person himself.
 
Morrissey lives in a lonely world because he has no idea how to accept love, he probably has borderline personality disorder, which is impossible to have long term relationships. I think it breaks all of our hearts and the reason why we care about him. Tina, Kristeen,Bowie ,they may have done SOMETHING to him but the punishment never fits the crime with him.

I don't think there is any evidence to say he ever had a sexual relationship with any of those people.

He has had relationships with men though. But if someone is so uncomfortable with that reality then yes it would make it almost impossible to live with for whoever he was/is seeing.

I dont think his live is that lonely though. He has had connections with people on a sexual level and has friends he is very close to. I dont think the problem is that he doesn't know how to accept love, I think its more that he is terrified of other people seeing him in love aside from the fact he must be impossible to live with.

He went from being a person being quite open pre fame to a person who was terrified of being open during early fame which developed into a continual persona of mystery and then a position of too late to be open. Too scared to rock the boat.
 
I remember when I first moved into my flat and I had a new sense of freedom. Believe it or not, I was 27. I moved out late. Anyway, a guy came back home with me and he climaxed 5 times. And I never once took it up the arse. I met a black taxi driver once and he had a most stupendous dick and all he did was wank in front of my full length mirror. He was straight, I think. I had one bloke who urinated in my walk in wardrobe, thinking it was the toilet. Then I had another bloke who was lovely and I woke up singing Smiths songs with him. That's the one I saw tonight who was with his straight friends and blanked me. I remember waking up with him and stroking his forehead while I sang 'Asleep'
No offence but what has this to do with anything? Who is interested?
 
He isnt free though because he is terrified of saying it and goes to great lengths to ensure no one does see him. Being a mystery because of fear isnt freedom. It may satisfy your need to have mystery from your artists but it doesn't generally really help the person himself.

Saying what exactly? To say you are 'gay' is to limit your soul. The media would call him a 'gay artist' or a 'gay singer'. Just horrible. Nothing worse.
 
I'm just a REALLY REALLY successful woman. It's not my fault most of Steve's fans here aren't as successful. Uncle Skinny is a prime example of one such fan/
yes your that successful you had to work new years eve when the rest of the world was out enjoying themselves.
 
Saying what exactly? To say you are 'gay' is to limit your soul. The media would call him a 'gay artist' or a 'gay singer'. Just horrible. Nothing worse.

But not being open about who you are is far worse for the soul. I think millions of people around the world would dispute that saying you are gay is limiting their souls in the same way straight people would not say being straight was limiting their soul.

To be so terrified of being thought of as gay that you refuse to walk through soho past Old Compton St in case you are seen is not freedom or a sign of a limitless soul.

Getting lawyers on people who have suggested he may be gay is also not freedom.

Freedom is not giving a shit what people say or think. Being constantly worried about what people might say or think is the complete opposite of freedom.
 
Saying what exactly? To say you are 'gay' is to limit your soul. The media would call him a 'gay artist' or a 'gay singer'. Just horrible. Nothing worse.

"nothing worse that being called a gay artist or gay singer". Really. Right. No one would call him that. They would call him an artist who is gay. There is a difference. There are many many artists who dont have an issue with that and it doesn't affect their art or perception of art in any way.

Did Keith Haring have a problem being open, Dusty Springfield, does Hockney, Michael Stipe, Frank Ocean.........

Bowing down to the oppression out of fear doesn't make someone less repressed.
 
seeing as the gays are having a field day with this thread heres a few one liners.
did your hear about the homosexual letter---only came in male boxes.
what is the most popular pick up line in a gay bar---can i push your stool in.
i was going to make a joke about homosexuality---butt f*** it.
did you hear about the guy who got kicked off the golf course---playing with too many strokes.
how about the new drug for lesbians---trycocksagain.
why did the gay man get mad at his boyfriend---told him to straighten up.
i refuse to believe i was gay and dyslexic---i was in daniel.
lets see who can take a joke.
 
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But there is nothing that suggests even from his own words that they were a couple of anything but friends.

He writes about being attached, committed, having a kid, his life changing & them being a duo.
 
He writes about being attached, committed, having a kid, his life changing & them being a duo.

Can you post some quotes again. I have said this before though. Words coming from a man who is not open are not very reliable but lets see.

The kid thing I have already dealt with. He described the thought of making a baby as an unthinkable act.

Commitment can also mean friendship but willing to see these words of his that clearly show they were more than very close friends and more of a sexual relationship.
 
Queen's square like several of those squares around Bloomsbury were very active cruising grounds in the 80s and 90s for gay men. At night Russell Square was packed with men picking other men up. The police cottoned on to this at some point in the early 90s and regularly entered the park with vans arresting people and it was a losing battle so they installed huge spot lights on top of the building in the square that floodlighted the whole square all night. People moved to other nearby squares such as Queen Square. That whole area was a popular area for gay people to live and had Gay's The Word bookshop etc. Trafalgar square was the key focal point for every gay pride march at that time too. But these are obviously loose connections and who knows really what he is talking about. The problem when a lyricist starts to write a book is that he continues to write as though he is writing song lyrics which can be designed to have many meanings, hidden meanings, vague meanings, multiple meanings but it doesn't work well in what is supposed to be factual literature because because just dont know what he's talking about which defeats the whole point of the book. All adds to the mystery that he is responsible for and why there is a thread this long discussing this subject.

Take a couple of other people at random. Jarvis, he has always been an open person regarding his sexual attraction to women and if you ever see him on stage he comes across as a very sexually liberated individual with nothing to hide about what he likes. He has had some high profile relationships that have never been hidden and everyone knows everything or at least no one is not that interested in it because he isnt hiding anything or being secretive or coy about anything. No one has discussions about his sexuality or his private life.

Then another on, Robbie Williams. He was a bit of a wild child in his early and mid career. He was having many liaisons with many people , men and women. But he stated quite openly that he liked men and women and he gave that air of I dont give a shit what people think. The result of that meant that no one really dug for dirt that much. No one from all those liaisons spilt the beans and the media weren't really interested.

But when someone creates a air of mystery and comes out with words like humosexual and celibacy, and hating sex etc etc then the media and everyone else want to know why and they try to dig and you end up with people talking about it constantly. No doubt one day I suspect the beans will be spilt when someone wants some cash or develops a dislike of the man but in the meantime he will continue to fear walking around soho, continue trying to be mysterious as though it is interesting etc etc

I mean for most of us it is pretty obvious really. His art on sleeves , on stage etc etc have that quite typical gay connection that someone would have to be blind to not see it. I mean I cant think of a straight or even bisexual artist who would put a huge photo of a sailor as their stage backdrop or pictures of other male actors such as Richard Burton etc or a picture of a naked gay porn star on a single. There is subtle gaydar and then there is in your face pretty f***ing obvious gaydar.

I don't think he's hiding from anything except press intrusion & awkward social encounters.

He's not going to be explicit about who, what, where, when & how - but I think we get the general idea.
 
I don't think he's hiding from anything except press intrusion & awkward social encounters.

He's not going to be explicit about who, what, where, when & how - but I think we get the general idea.

I will disagree. I think he always has hidden things. He has tried to remove from existence anything that could link him to any sexual encounter or relationship with anyone.

Refusing to walk down a street known for gay bars because he doesn't want anyone to then assume he might be gay is off the scale at wanting to hide.

Asking legal representatives to ry to recover letters from pre fame days is hiding things.

Making up words and stories to describe his attractions and then another period stating he was celibate and then another time saying he is humosexual and then hating of sex another, it is all typical closeted behaviour. It goes beyond press intrusion fears. Press aren't really interested in intruding if people are open. Shocks around mysteries sell stories.

I used to say similar things about not being interested, being asexual, even for a while said after being constantly asked why I wasn't married etc that I was married but she died to get people to stop asking. I was an expert at the mysterious and the story telling and it worked until I decided in my late 40s to just say f*** it and the next time someone asked about being married or a girlfriend I said, it isnt a she, it is a he. That was a day that changed my life forever. The complete opposite of what I feared happened. For the first time in my life I built friendships that were close and supportive amongst straight people and I started to have many straight close friends who didn't give a shit that I was gay and had a very active social live with straight people. I felt free and happy for the first time. Living a secret is a very draining existence, having two lives, one for gay friends and one for straight people or people at work is self destructive and causes havoc with mental health.
 

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