The Moz/Smiths Top 100 - FINAL RESULTS 2010

Qvist

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Re: The Moz/Smiths Top 100, FINAL RESULTS 2010!!

Yep. 'Suedehead' especially. I mean, it's a good song, but for me it's nothing special.....As I said on another thread[/URL], possibly nostalgia or sentimental connections with particular songs or albums has something to do with this... but I digress.

For me, "Suedehead" and for that matter "Everyday is like Sunday" is a case of the opposite of sentimental connection. They both just stopped working for me 15 years ago or so - when I listen to them I can technically tell they're nice pop songs, but they just leave me absolutely cold - they don't give me anything. When I play VH or BD I usually just skip them. They're used up. I don't think I can say that about any other Morrissey songs.

cheers
 

Anonymous1

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Re: The Moz/Smiths Top 100, FINAL RESULTS 2010!!

For me, "Suedehead" and for that matter "Everyday is like Sunday" is a case of the opposite of sentimental connection. They both just stopped working for me 15 years ago or so - when I listen to them I can technically tell they're nice pop songs, but they just leave me absolutely cold - they don't give me anything. When I play VH or BD I usually just skip them. They're used up. I don't think I can say that about any other Morrissey songs.

cheers

Same here. Kinda burned out on those songs a while ago.

That being said, as brilliant as those two songs are, I think they're both grossly overrated. Morrissey's come out with such brilliant solo music over the past 20 years and I find it odd that his first two singles happened to score so high.
 

Kewpie

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Sweetie-Pie? I can't believe this is in the bottom five? I really don't have a common ground.

I'm unable to rate songs, didn't perticipate the polls.

However, very interesting to read other people's opinions and discussions about them.
 

Maurice E

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Re: The Moz/Smiths Top 100, FINAL RESULTS 2010!!

For me, "Suedehead" and for that matter "Everyday is like Sunday" is a case of the opposite of sentimental connection. They both just stopped working for me 15 years ago or so - when I listen to them I can technically tell they're nice pop songs, but they just leave me absolutely cold - they don't give me anything. When I play VH or BD I usually just skip them. They're used up. I don't think I can say that about any other Morrissey songs.

cheers

do you play a musical instrument at all?
if you do, play the chords to Suedehead and Everyday is Like Sunday and sing along, and you'll see that they are truly wonderful pieces of music.
then play the chords to Father Must be Killed, Sorry Doesn't Help, How Can Anyone Possibly Know, On the Streets I Ran, or 80% of the post 2000 Moz material and you'll notice they are flimsy, melodically weak pieces of music.
it's obviously possible to be over-exposed to a song, but the sheer musical quality of Suedehead and Everyday, and 92% of all those early Morrissey/Street compositions is absolutely undeniable.
 

MORRIZSEY

Wrong species
Sweetie-Pie is beautiful. Truly beautiful. It makes me want to cry every time I hear it, I just find it hard to see it in the last ten. I think it's a beautiful song.
 

Walkers Crisp

Nobody's Nothing
Personally, I love Sweetie-Pie to bits. And I can remember giving it a high vote (9 or 10) - that was quite a while ago. Would the poll be done now Sweetie-Pie would surely rank higher in that list, being an absolute highlight of the SWORDS compilation.
 

Qvist

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Re: The Moz/Smiths Top 100, FINAL RESULTS 2010!!

do you play a musical instrument at all?
if you do, play the chords to Suedehead and Everyday is Like Sunday and sing along, and you'll see that they are truly wonderful pieces of music.
then play the chords to Father Must be Killed, Sorry Doesn't Help, How Can Anyone Possibly Know, On the Streets I Ran, or 80% of the post 2000 Moz material and you'll notice they are flimsy, melodically weak pieces of music.
it's obviously possible to be over-exposed to a song, but the sheer musical quality of Suedehead and Everyday, and 92% of all those early Morrissey/Street compositions is absolutely undeniable.

Yep, piano. Although badly. And I don't have one. And the cornet, but don't even get me started about that. :)

I'm not questioning them on technical grounds, they are obviously well-crafted pop tunes and I completely agree about the flimsy melodical structure of the songs you mention. I simply note that unlike almost all the other songs of that period, who I keep returning to periodically if not constantly, they simply don't retain any power to interest me. Perhaps the problem is that they are rather too picture-perfect? I really don't know, I can only observe the effect.

cheers
 

Maurice E

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Re: The Moz/Smiths Top 100, FINAL RESULTS 2010!!

Yep, piano. Although badly. And I don't have one. And the cornet, but don't even get me started about that. :)

I'm not questioning them on technical grounds, they are obviously well-crafted pop tunes and I completely agree about the flimsy melodical structure of the songs you mention. I simply note that unlike almost all the other songs of that period, who I keep returning to periodically if not constantly, they simply don't retain any power to interest me. Perhaps the problem is that they are rather too picture-perfect? I really don't know, I can only observe the effect.

cheers

fair point - presumably you will have heard them a lot more than the other songs of that era too.
I deliberately ration the amount of times I listen to the best Smiths and Morrissey songs. if I got in a car, now, and heard Everyday or Suedehead on the radio, I'd turn the volume up, sing along, and still consider them to be works of absolute genius...
 

Qvist

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An equally fair point. And all the luckier you are because of it, naturally I wish it'd be the same for me.

presumably you will have heard them a lot more than the other songs of that era too.

Actually no, not really. I instantly liked them of course, but my favorites on VH from the beginning were Maudlin Street and Dial-a-cliche. Who still remain my favorites from that album, now that I think of it.

cheers
 
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skull

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What I don't like is to see awful Smiths songs such as "Panic"!? on top of the list and absolutely amazing songs by Morrissey-solo like "Wide to recieve" near the end...most people vote for the Smiths because of nostalgia always complaining that Morrissey will never be The Smiths, no matter how good his songs will be.
 

skull

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What I don't like is to see awful Smiths songs such as "Panic"!? on top of the list and absolutely amazing songs by Morrissey-solo like "Wide to recieve" near the end...most people vote for the Smiths because of nostalgia always complaining that Morrissey will never be The Smiths, no matter how good his songs will be.

Sorry: Wide to receive!
 

Qvist

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What I don't like is to see awful Smiths songs such as "Panic"!? on top of the list and absolutely amazing songs by Morrissey-solo like "Wide to recieve" near the end...most people vote for the Smiths because of nostalgia always complaining that Morrissey will never be The Smiths, no matter how good his songs will be.

Really, how difficult can this be to understand? People give "Panic" a higher vote than "Wide to receive" because they think it's a much better song, not because of nostalgia. If you ask me, "Panic" is an excellent 9 and one of the smiths' better songs, "Wide to receive" is a mediocre 6 and one of Morrissey's weaker songs. We all have songs here we think are overrated, and ones that we think are underrated.

cheers
 

Houdini

Junior Member
Here's the chart per decade.

Best Morrissey/Smiths song of the 1980s:

1) There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (1986), average rating: 9,87
2) I Know It’s Over (1986) 9,57
3) Still Ill (1984) 9,56
4) Everyday Is Like Sunday (1988) 9,53
5) Suedehead (1988) 9,52
6) Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want (1984) 9,52
7) This Charming Man (1983) 9,50
8) The Queen Is Dead (1986) 9,50
9) The Headmaster Ritual (1985) 9,47
10) The Last Of The Famous International Playboys (1989) 9,44
11) Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (1987) 9,42
12) Reel Around The Fountain (1984) 9,41
13) Panic (1985) 9,40
14) The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (1985) 9,40
15) Rubber Ring (1985) 9,39
16) That Joke Isn’t Funny Anymore (1985) 9,36
17) Stop Me If You Think You’ve Heard This One Before (1987) 9,35
18) Bigmouth Strikes Again (1986) 9,34
19) How Soon Is Now? (1984) 9,32
20) Well I Wonder (1985) 9,31
21) Hand In Glove (1983) 9,30
22) Shoplifters Of The World Unite (1987) 9,28
23) Cemetry Gates (1986) 9,27
24) William It Was Really Nothing (1984) 9,26
25) Late Night, Maudlin Street (1988) 9,19
26) Half A Person (1987) 9,15
27) Asleep (1985) 9,14
28) Hairdresser On Fire (1988) 9,13
29) Will Never Marry (1988) 9,05
30) I Want The One I Can’t Have (1985) 9,01
31) Sister I’m A Poet (1988) 8,97
32) A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours (1987) 8,95
33) Nowhere Fast (1985) 8,93
34) Handsome Devil (1983) 8,92
35) Stretch Out And Wait (1985) 8,89
36) Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now (1984) 8,89
37) What Difference Does It Make? (1984) 8,89
38) Sweet And Tender Hooligan (1987) 8,89
39) Girlfriend In A Coma (1987) 8,85
40) Paint A Vulgar Picture (1987) 8,84
41) Disappointed (1988) 8,79
42) You Just Haven’t Earned It Yet Baby (1987) 8,76
43) Rusholme Ruffians (1985) 8,74
44) I Won’t Share You (1987) 8,73
45) Girl Afraid (1984) 8,71
46) Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (1986) 8,67
47) Frankly Mr Shankly (1986) 8,65
48) Suffer Little Children (1984) 8,63
49) Sheila Take A Bow (1987) 8,60
50) What She Said (1985) 8,60
51) Is It Really So Strange? (1987) 8,59
52) Ask (1986) 8,54
53) This Night Has Opened My Eyes (1984) 8,54
54) I Started Something I Couldn’t Finish (1987) 8,54
55) Back To The Old House (1984) 8,53
56) The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (1984) 8,51
57) These Things Take Time (1984) 8,49
58) Pretty Girls Make Graves (1984) 8,47
59) Unlovable (1986) 8,46
60) Jeane (1983) 8,45
61) Alsatian Cousin (1988) 8,43
62) Barbarism Begins At Home (1985) 8,41
63) Interesting Drug (1989) 8,40
64) London (1987) 8,40
65) Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference (1989) 8,37
66) You’ve Got Everything Now (1984) 8,35
67) Shakespeare’s Sister (1985) 8,34
68) I Know Very Well How I Got My Name (1988) 8,33
69) Angel, Angel, Down We Go Together (1988) 8,27
70) Never Had No One Ever (1986) 8,21
71) Meat Is Murder (1985) 8,14
72) Wonderful Woman (1983) 8,04
73) I Don’t Owe You Anything (1984) 8,03
74) Vicar In A Tutu (1986) 8,03
75) Lucky Lisp (1989) 8,03
76) I Don’t Mind If You Forget Me (1988) 8,02
77) Death Of A Disco Dancer (1987) 8,02
78) Yes, I Am Blind (1989) 7,82
79) Miserable Lie (1984) 7,75
80) Ouija Board, Ouija Board (1989) 7,72
81) Unhappy Birthday (1987) 7,69
82) Little Man, What Now? (1988) 7,66
83) Oscillate Wildly (1985) 7,58
84) Break Up The Family (1988) 7,55
85) Accept Yourself (1983) 7,54
86) The Ordinary Boys (1988) 7,42
87) I Keep Mine Hidden (1987) 7,35
88) Bengali In Platforms (1988) 7,25
89) Michael’s Bones (1989) 7,23
90) Oh Well I’ll Never Learn (1988) 7,17
91) Dial-A-Cliché (1988) 6,85
92) Margaret On The Guillotine (1988) 6,69
93) The Draize Train (1986) 6,65
94) East West (1989) 6,62
95) Death At One’s Elbow (1987) 6,53
96) Money Changes Everything (1986) 6,49
97) Work Is A Four Letter Word (1987) 6,41
98) What’s The World (1987) 6,07
99) Golden Lights (1986) 4,93

AVERAGE SONG SCORE: 8.45
 
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Houdini

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Best Morrissey-song of the 1990s:

1) Speedway (1994) 9,53
2) Now My Heart Is Full (1994) 9,52
3) Why Don’t You Find Out For Yourself (1994) 9,41
4) Jack The Ripper (1992) 9.28
5) The National Front Disco (1992) 9,14
6) Trouble Loves Me (1997) 9,12
7) Seasick, Yet Still Docked (1992) 9,11
8) November Spawned A Monster (1990) 9,11
9) Nobody Loves Us (1995) 8,96
10) I’ve Changed My Plea To Guilty (1991) 8,95
11) The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get (1994) 8,95
12) Tomorrow (1992) 8,88
13) Piccadilly Palare (1990) 8,84
14) You’re Gonna Need Someone On Your Side (1992) 8,65
15) I Know It’s Gonna Happen Someday (1992) 8,60
16) Spring-Heeled Jim (1994) 8,50
17) My Love Life (1991) 8,48
18) Sunny (1995) 8,47
19) Hold On To Your Friends (1994) 8,45
20) We’ll Let You Know (1992) 8,43
21) Southpaw (1995) 8,42
22) Lost (1997) 8,40
23) Maladjusted (1997) 8,34
24) I’d Love To (1994) 8,32
25) Lifeguard Sleeping, Girl Drowning (1994) 8,29
26) I Am Hated For Loving (1994) 8,29
27) The Loop (1991) 8,27
28) Whatever Happens, I Love You (1995) 8,25
29) Reader Meet Author (1995) 8,20
30) We Hate It When Our Friends Become Succesful (1992) 8,18
31) Boxers (1995) 8,13
32) Sing Your Life (1991) 8,03
33) I Can Have Both (1997) 8,01
34) Glamorous Glue (1992) 8,01
35) The Boy Racer (1995) 7,99
36) Alma Matters (1997) 7,94
37) The Edges Are No Longer Parallel (1997) 7,90
38) Satan Rejected My Soul (1997) 7,89
39) There’s A Place In Hell For Me And My Friends (1991) 7,88
40) Girl Least Likely To (1990) 7,86
41) Used To Be A Sweet Boy (1994) 7,85
42) Certain People I Know (1992) 7,79
43) Mute Witness (1991) 7,77
44) The Lazy Sunbathers (1994) 7,73
45) Our Frank (1991), 7,72
46) A Swallow On My Neck (1995) 7,68
47) I’m the End Of The Family Line (1991) 7,67
48) The Teachers Are Afraid Of The Pupils (1995) 7,65
49) Driving Your Girlfriend Home (1991) 7,63
50) Billy Budd (1994) 7,62
51) You Must Please Remember (1995) 7,59
52) He Knows I’d Love To See Him (1990) 7,51
53) You’re The One For Me Fatty (1992) 7,42
54) Pregnant For The Last Time (1991) 7,39
55) Have-A-Go Merchant (1995) 7,39
56) Wide To Receive (1997) 7,38
57) Interlude (1994) 7,35
58) King Leer (1991) 7,32
59) Let The Right One Slip In (1992) 7,32
60) Skin Storm (1991) 7,31
61) Do Your Best and Don’t Worry (1995) 7,31
62) The Operation (1995) 7,29
63) That’s Entertainment (1991) 7,14
64) Now I Am A Was (1997) 7,06
65) Heir Apparent (1997) 7,03
66) Pashernate Love (1991) 7,01
67) This Is Not Your Country (1997) 6,88
68) Roy’s Keen (1997) 6,84
69) At Amber (1990) 6,81
70) Dagenham Dave (1995) 6,80
71) Moonriver (1994) 6,70
72) Ammunition (1997) 6,69
73) Best Friend On The Payroll (1995) 6,60
74) Cosmic Dancer (1991) 6,54
75) Black Eyed Susan (1995) 6,52
76) He Cried (1997) 6,38
77) Asian Rut (1991) 6,33
78) Ambitious Outsiders (1997) 6,30
79) There Speaks A True Friend (1992) 6,26
80) You’ve Had Her (1992) 6,11
81) Tony The Pony (1991) 6,08
82) Get Off The Stage (1990) 5,96
83) Found Found Found (1991) 5,82
84) The Harsh Truth Of The Camera Eye (1991) 5,77
85) Sorrow Will Come In The End (1997) 5,51
86) Papa Jack (1997) 5,11
87) Journalists Who Lie (1991) 4,78

AVERAGE SONG SCORE: 7,67
 
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