Verso
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No, he quite literally said "that's nothing compared to what happens in McDonalds."
The Origin Of Morrissey Dissent
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Nerak
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That isn't what he said in the video. That's what was reported.
And it's not every comment - it's a handful that get endlessly repeated, sometimes even just a word. And it's not unusual in the UK tabloids once they've found an angle to trawl for.
Nerak
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Numbers of deaths. That rarely get reported. He was not saying human death was nothing.
M
Musician
Guest
As far as I know, there is no video footage of given comment from Warsaw. However, Morrissey did not deny the reports when added to his comment on True To You some days later:
""The comment I made on stage at Warsaw could be further explained this way - Millions of beings are routinely murdered every single day in order to fund profits for McDonalds and KFCruelty".
So, he DID say those words. Same thing as the Speigel fiasco.
Nerak
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The footage does exist.
What's in dispute is the assertion that he was telling parents their dead children didn't matter.
He was introducing Meat Is Murder by trying to make the audience think about animal killings the way they think about murder.
That's literally the point of the song title.
Framing makes a difference.
M
Musician
Guest
This is beyond ridiculous. It's not about assertion. A grown up man made a stupid, insensitive, idiotic comment, Doesn't matter what the intention was. A comment was made.
I bet you could twist Hitler's words - what he really meant was....
But obviously people who were hurt by one of the many idiotic comments by Morrissey are all wrong. Or woke. Or brainwashed by The Guardian.
Ketamine Sun
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Ketamine Sun
A Most Misunderstood Member
Oh Hitler again 
Nerak
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It's the opposite - the tabloids chose to create a drama around comments he made at a gig that are totally in line with animal liberationist thinking & were in no way aimed at the parents of dead children.
In the exact way that they accused him of paedophilia for Reel Around The Fountain & Handsome Devil.
Saying that Meat is Murder is literally saying that killing animals to eat is the same as murder. You could interpret that as an insult to every murder victim. And get any get any number of relatives to say they're hurt by his insensitive song.
M
Musician
Guest
Ah okay. So as an animal liberationist I can say, Morrissey's mother's death is nothing compared to what happens in KFC every day. Thank you for enlightening me.
People like you scare me.
Surface
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I have no recollection of him being accused of paedophilia for Reel Around The Fountain & Handsome Devil at the time. Did these accusations happen later in his career?
Nerak
Reverse Ferret
Oh Hitler again
He also managed to get huge amounts of flack for a song about murders committed when he was 7... including a false accusation that he put a serial killer on the cover of a single.
How do they think newspapers get sales? Just by accurately reporting that famous people are c**ts & all art is immoral?
Suffer Little Children: the story of Morrissey's obsession with the Moors murderers
The nation awoke to front pages filled with Ian Brady’s mugshot on Tuesday morning, following the news of his death.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Nerak
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No, at the time. It was Nick Ferrari & Gary Bushell who started it - they juxtaposed it with a sex crime that had been committed on a young boy as if the songs caused it.
Standard trick.
If they'd been less talented it would have ended them before they began.
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Huh, so the parents of recently murdered children were in attendance that night?
GirlAfraidWillNeverLearn
The Courage to Get on People's Tits
No, they happened early on in their career in May 1983 and are well documented. The first was a Sun article titled "Child Sex Song Puts The Beeb In A Spin".
Morrissey and Marr talked about it in this interview.
NME – 24 September 1983
“The Smith Hunt”, a Morrissey interview by David Dorrell. Photographs by Kevin Cummins. Topics included mostly the Sun’s allegations of paedophilia and its consequences within the…
illnessasart.com
EDIT:
I should add that there's been some confusion about this over the years.
The recording of Reel Around The Fountain from their second Jensen sessions wasn't aired because of the allegations they faced for Handsome Devil and the BBC decided the lyrics of Reel Around were too dodgy.
The second song besides Handsome Devil that was interpreted by the press to be about child molestation was The Hand That Rocks The Cradle though...
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Nerak
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That's not what he said.
You're far more scary because you can't grasp a philosophy & would cause drama by misrepresenting it.
He was not talking to the parents of dead children.
He did not say the deaths of their children is nothing.
Nerak
Reverse Ferret
There's an Animal Liberation founding text that can be read - it's about expanding your moral universe not narrowing it.
www.nybooks.com
Animal Liberation
A liberation movement demands an expansion of our moral horizons, so that practices that were previously regarded as natural and inevitable are now seen as intolerable.
M
Musician
Guest
I post and comment here very, very rarely. But when I do so, I at least pay attention to what I am replying to.
I never wrote he was talking to the parents. I never wrote he said the deaths of their children is nothing.
He did say what I, and earlier Verso, quoted. It's a fact. A FACT. You are just trying to interpret the offensive words of your hero because you are unable to say he was an asshole. So what if he was? Not the end of the world. As a singer, I still loved songs he released after this. comment. Why is it so hard to admit it?
I don't cause drama. I simply hold a comment against the person who made it. Though I had no connection to the victims at all, it's still an insensitive, outrageous and idiotic comment. If anyone said this in front of me about victims of any shootings, I'd leave the conversation at this point as obviously the person has zero empathy and not much intelligence.
I don't care about the Animal Liberation. I don't eat meat and try to get to a point soon where I don't wear any product made from an animal. Still I would never go as far as hurting people's feeling to get my point across.
Amy
from the Ice Age to the dole age
This thread was encouraging people to offer thoughts on Morrissey 'dissent' - in other words, how and why there is negativity around him, how he managed to 'turn off' so many people, what that's like for fans who have gotten a bit fed up and how they see their relationship with him. You do not need to jump in, preaching about why you think the dissent is wrong and poor Mozzer is just misunderstood, etc, etc, trying to invalidate the opinions of other fans like you do 24/7. Wind your neck in!
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