‘Pigsty’ has won the downloading vote (please read)

[robertzombie]

I don't think this thing has been done before because the new rules regarding downloads have only just been introduced.

Who knows, there could be another forum somewhere trying to do the same thing as us but getting a different band/singer in the charts!

 

[The Cat's Mother]

In my opinion people have picked the wrong song for the job in hand. It will not have any impact on the charts without airplay, and Pigsty will not get the airing. It's too long for your average radio dj who thinks that the world cannot go 4 minutes without hearing the sound of their voice.

I agree, Brel. Picking a song that won't get airplay even it makes the charts will kill dead the potential snowball effect on downloads that radio exposure could add to our initial push. NFD may not be nearly as sublime a song as Pigsty, but it's not over-long for radio, its got heft, energy and it still has that whiff of controversy to get it noticed. Plus, it's back in Morrissey's live set, so it's already a revival piece. My second choice would have been Speedway, for most of the same reasons.

 

[The Goat]

I agree with The Cat's Mother and Brel
A song needs to be chosen that can sustain itself in the charts once the big push has been taken.
If Pigsty goes into the charts at say - number 16 - without the interest then given by radio stations it will simply bomb back out of the charts the following week which could be embaressing....
Yet if a song is chosen that the stations pick up on, then many others may pick up on it and keep it in the charts the following week.
Although Meat Is Murder would also not get airplay, it could attract good publicity and get other veggies to buy it too. The court case around royalties doesn't bother me. I know someone who works at the Veggie Society in Altrincham and will call her later.
My two choices would be 'Why dont you find out for yourself?' or 'You just haven't earned it yet baby' as it was only available on 'The World Wont Listen'

The Goat

 

[Belligerent Ghoul]

NFD...its got heft, energy and it still has that whiff of controversy to get it noticed. Plus, it's back in Morrissey's live set...

Exactly. Face-off vote between NFD vs. Pigsty!

Settle the score.

 

[robertzombie]

I think we should vote on the three songs and decide which one should be the final winner.

Each has good points and bad points, after reading the last few posts I think the best one to go for is either Meat Is Murder of National Front Disco.
MIM will get us nationwide (maybe even worldwide) attention from vegetarians and veggie-ascociations. They will be keen to have the veggie voice heard. And NFD is just a really good song.

Not that Pigsty isn't good, but I don't think it'll get the attention the others could get.

 

[Belligerent Ghoul]

I think we should vote on the three songs and decide which one should be the final winner.

Each has good points and bad points, after reading the last few posts I think the best one to go for is either Meat Is Murder of National Front Disco.
MIM will get us nationwide (maybe even worldwide) attention from vegetarians and veggie-ascociations. They will be keen to have the veggie voice heard. And NFD is just a really good song.

Not that Pigsty isn't good, but I don't think it'll get the attention the others could get.

I agree.

 

[hatfull]

I downloadeed Pigsty (even though I don't like it!!!!) and I'm going to get National Front Disco as well (because I love it!!!)

 

[The Cat's Mother]

I agree with The Cat's Mother and Brel
A song needs to be chosen that can sustain itself in the charts once the big push has been taken.
If Pigsty goes into the charts at say - number 16 - without the interest then given by radio stations it will simply bomb back out of the charts the following week which could be embaressing....
Yet if a song is chosen that the stations pick up on, then many others may pick up on it and keep it in the charts the following week.
Although Meat Is Murder would also not get airplay, it could attract good publicity and get other veggies to buy it too. The court case around royalties doesn't bother me. I know someone who works at the Veggie Society in Altrincham and will call her later.
My two choices would be 'Why dont you find out for yourself?' or 'You just haven't earned it yet baby' as it was only available on 'The World Wont Listen'

The Goat

Thanks, Goat. My main concern re the royalties is that it might take the shine off the gesture (for Morrissey, and we're doing this as his fans, yes?) if the side-effect of provoking a mass-downloading of MIM is boosting Mike Joyce's 2007 royalty cheque. Unless Mr Joyce is going to step up and pledge all future proceeds of MIM to animal welfare. (Just a thought, Mike. )

MIM's still a no-no for radio exposure though. The new chart rules mean that fan collectives like Solo can effectively play at record company execs, but to best promote our chosen artist, we have to act the part and use our marketing heads and not our hearts.

*re-reads*

Wow! I'd better go back to off-topic and giggle about man-porn before people start actually listening to what I have to say.

 

[robertzombie]

if the side-effect of provoking a mass-downloading of MIM is boosting Mike Joyce's 2007 royalty cheque.

I don't think we should really worry about this. And besides, Joyce is still an integral part of The Smiths. His work needs be recognised just as much as Morrissey's, Marr's and Rourke's does.

 

[The Cat's Mother]

I don't think we should really worry about this. And besides, Joyce is still an integral part of The Smiths. His work needs be recognised just as much as Morrissey's, Marr's and Rourke's does.

I'm not trying to belittle Mike Joyce's contribution to the Smiths; it's just that this court case/royalties thing is as yet an unhealed wound and we don't know how much it would worry Morrissey.

*re-reads* Lol! I think I'm turning into Morrissey's mum!

 

[Tbevie]

I think we should vote on the three songs and decide which one should be the final winner.

Each has good points and bad points, after reading the last few posts I think the best one to go for is either Meat Is Murder of National Front Disco.
MIM will get us nationwide (maybe even worldwide) attention from vegetarians and veggie-ascociations. They will be keen to have the veggie voice heard. And NFD is just a really good song.

Not that Pigsty isn't good, but I don't think it'll get the attention the others could get.

I see your point but we’ve already had a poll and ‘Pigsty’ came out on top. I think people will begin to get a bit bored if we have another poll and who’s to say the result will be any different.

As for the chart. I don’t think any Morrissey single has stayed in the chart longer than a couple of weeks, no matter how catchy or radio friendly it is.

I think the main point of this experiment is for us, as a fan base, to try and get a song that we love by an artist we love into the charts. Obviously the higher the chart position the better.

I may be wrong but if a new song charts they have to play it on the chart countdown don’t they. Even if it’s an edited down version I think it will appeal to a lot a non-moz fans.

I appreciate all of you comments and opinions but I think we need to move away from the song choice and start concentrating on getting as many people involved as possible.

 

[Zenith Nadir]

I agree with The Cat's Mother and Brel
A song needs to be chosen that can sustain itself in the charts once the big push has been taken.
If Pigsty goes into the charts at say - number 16 - without the interest then given by radio stations it will simply bomb back out of the charts the following week which could be embaressing....
Yet if a song is chosen that the stations pick up on, then many others may pick up on it and keep it in the charts the following week.
Although Meat Is Murder would also not get airplay, it could attract good publicity and get other veggies to buy it too. The court case around royalties doesn't bother me. I know someone who works at the Veggie Society in Altrincham and will call her later.
My two choices would be 'Why dont you find out for yourself?' or 'You just haven't earned it yet baby' as it was only available on 'The World Wont Listen'

The Goat

If Pigsty goes into the charts at say - number 16 - without the interest then given by radio stations it will simply bomb back out of the charts the following week which could be embarrassing....

Greetings Goat. How's the nannie and kids?

I'm behind the idea for a number of reasons, even though it will drop down after we spend all our money. Buuuuuuuuut

1. Since the single downloads rule has changed, *WE* can put a Morrissey song into the top 40 if we get the numbers. Say we get a couple of hundred people from this site who are prepared to download a few songs each. That alone will be enough to push Morrissey close. Dunno how close, but I believe some myspace band got into the top 40 with 3000 odd downloads. I have no idea where I read it. ¿could have been on this site?

2. The fact that Pigsty is not a two minute ditty is a good thing. I understand that some programme managers are going to laugh it off. But the discerning DJ's are about to discover a song that many Moz aficionados consider one of his most powerful pieces of work. And my guess is that those guys are probably the leftfield type with a strong army of listeners who influence others. Some marketing monkey help me out with the term for 'people who influence people. I know you have one.

4. If it works, it will be a great scoop for Solo.

Should we approach TTY?

.

 

[Tbevie]

Greetings Goat. How's the nannie and kids?

I'm behind the idea for a number of reasons, even though it will drop after well spend all our money. Buuuuuuuuut

1. Since the single downloads rule has changed, *WE* can put a Morrissey song into the top 40 if we get the numbers. Say we get a couple of hundred people from this site who are prepared to download a few songs each. That alone will be enough to push Morrissey close. Dunno how close, but I believe some myspace band got to the top 40 with 3000 odd downloads. I have no idea where I read it. ¿could have been on this site?

2. The fact that Pigsty is not a two minute ditty is good thing. I understand that some programme managers are going to laugh it off. But the discerning DJ's are about to discover a song that many Moz aficionados consider most of his powerful work. And my guess is that those are the guys are probably the leftfield type with listeners who influence others. Some market monkey help me out with the term for 'people who influence people. I know you have one.

4. If it works, it will be a great scoop for Solo.

Should we approach TTY?

Good points.

I just think that all four singles released from ROTT are of a similar style and are all co-written by Jesse. Obviously ‘pigsty’ is completely different. I don't think the record company would have ever considered releasing it as a single, that's why I think we should. And plus it was co-written by Alain. I'm sure he would be quite pleased to see one of his songs in the charts.

Also I've tried contacting true-to-you but surprisingly I've had no reply.

 

[robertzombie]

Tbevie, you are right. The voters have decided on Pigsty and it is a true reflection of what the majority of the forum want to see in the charts.

start concentrating on getting as many people involved as possible.

this is the next stage, and I think it's about time we all got down to business.

 

[Bride of Chucky]

Tbevie, you are right. The voters have decided on Pigsty and it is a true reflection of what the majority of the forum want to see in the charts.


this is the next stage, and I think it's about time we all got down to business.

What;s the rush? Why dont we wait & see if we can get more support for Meat is Murder? Getting piggy in at number 23 to see it disappear the following week isnt going to change anything but if meat is murder got to #1 because we got possibly got the thousands of veggies in the UK to help us, well I for one would be well chuffed as would Morrissey I expect.

 

[The Goat]

What's the rush?

EXACTLY
Giving ourselves a week is setting us up for a fall. I appreciate January is a weak week for record sales, but why not give ourselves longer to plan an effective campaign and pinpoint a particualr week?
Easter! Everyone steams into a turkey for Easter, so why not MEAT IS MURDER high in the charts at Easter time? Get the Veggie Society on board etc. Rushing this will fail this.

The Goat

 

[Tbevie]

What;s the rush? Why dont we wait & see if we can get more support for Meat is Murder? Getting piggy in at number 23 to see it disappear the following week isnt going to change anything but if meat is murder got to #1 because we got possibly got the thousands of veggies in the UK to help us, well I for one would be well chuffed as would Morrissey I expect.

Well I just think it’s better to do it soon while it’s still fresh in people’s minds.

As for Meat is Murder I’m a vegetarian myself and this song means a lot to me too but I’m afraid I have to go with the majority. It won the poll and from the comments on this thread it would appear that most people want to go ahead with ‘Pigsty’

Perhaps you can arrange a ‘Meat is murder’ campaign in the future. I would definitely be up for that.

 

[Bride of Chucky]

I have been busy emailing all the regional veggie groups in the UK requesting them to participate and Easter is a great idea. You know it makes sense!

 

[Tbevie]

EXACTLY
Giving ourselves a week is setting us up for a fall. I appreciate January is a weak week for record sales, but why not give ourselves longer to plan an effective campaign and pinpoint a particualr week?
Easter! Everyone steams into a turkey for Easter, so why not MEAT IS MURDER high in the charts at Easter time? Get the Veggie Society on board etc. Rushing this will fail this.

The Goat

I just think if we drag this out to much people will get bored and forget about it. I think we need to act now. I think a week should be long enough if we all pull together.

And as I've mentioned in my comment below there's no reason why we can't do a ‘Pigsty’ download campaign now and a ‘Meat is Murder’ campaign during Easter.

 

[robertzombie]

There's no harm in doing Pigsty now, and MIM in Easter