I think you have just put forth the true issue at hand here...how far up the scale of meat vs. veg do we each choose to place ourselves. Like a timeline with meat and cheese eaters at the far left and those who completely refrain on the other.
I keep running the "right vs. wrong" argument in my head and I believe it is up to the individual to determine how they wish to conduct their lives even if there is disagreement. And if this disagreement leads to discussion or debate all the better because, at the very least, it helps one get a better understanding of the other's position.
I am a meat eater, I support a woman's right to choose regarding abortion, and the death penalty. These are my beliefs, and I do not feel "wrong" for having them. What I do think everyone can agree upon is that animals feel pain and no sane person could reasonably believe otherwise.
And this is where your 2,909 or so posts resonate clearly.I do not espouse myself to be anything more than I am whereas Morrissey has been quite outspoken on the subject and appears to be able to talk the talk, but less able to walk the walk of his espoused beliefs. Much like a preacher preaching from the pulpit about being faithful to one's wife while having an affair with another woman himself.
You have been very reasonable about expressing your views towards those who are of a different mind, which is why I quite enjoy these discussions. Plus you have a very good sense of humor when it comes to those who choose to go up against you. That is an important quality to have in all aspects of life.
Calf is taken from mother and tied so it cannot moveThe calf is fed an iron deficit dietThey are kept in the dark for 6 months without any sunlight
Very informative. Everyone should read the facts posted there--eye-opening. Here are just a few tidbits:
Milk Facts
◦Length of milking time set to 3.5 minutes
◦Not every cow produces same amount of milk – some produce less others more but milking timings are same
◦When cow does not produce enough milk and the machine is still pumping – you can see cows blood coming out into the milk
Diet
•Once slaughtered the waste products (including bones) are used to create a product called “Protein”.
•This “Protein” is mixed in a ratio of 80% grain and 20% “Protein” and fed to the cows. Cows are born vegetarian but due to human exploitation, they are now not vegetarian!
Every Cow kept pregnant
◦Artificially inseminated
◦After delivery of calf the mother is given 2 months rest period before being made pregnant again - Continuous pregnancy means high milk production
After Birth
◦New born calf kept with mother for 2-3 days only because dairy cannot afford to have calf drink that milk
◦At separation time – mother is distressed so much that they try to attack the guy separating them – the cow senses that they are no longer going to see the calf. The cow cries – the voice that comes out, even though so many years have passed by, Pravinbhai can still hear that haunting voice!
◦We are separating calf from mother so that we can have milk, sweets etc. to enjoy
◦When calf is separated – the cow is so shocked that for 2-3 days it does not produce any milk. Shock is similar to that if someone has died!
What happens to the calf?
◦Used for veal meat industry. Veal is tender - a delicacy for meat eaters
◦How is calf treated to get large amount of veal on calf:
Very informative. Everyone should read the facts posted there--eye-opening. Here are just a few tidbits:
Milk Facts
◦Length of milking time set to 3.5 minutes
◦Not every cow produces same amount of milk – some produce less others more but milking timings are same
◦When cow does not produce enough milk and the machine is still pumping – you can see cows blood coming out into the milk
Diet
•Once slaughtered the waste products (including bones) are used to create a product called “Protein”.
•This “Protein” is mixed in a ratio of 80% grain and 20% “Protein” and fed to the cows. Cows are born vegetarian but due to human exploitation, they are now not vegetarian!
Every Cow kept pregnant
◦Artificially inseminated
◦After delivery of calf the mother is given 2 months rest period before being made pregnant again - Continuous pregnancy means high milk production
After Birth
◦New born calf kept with mother for 2-3 days only because dairy cannot afford to have calf drink that milk
◦At separation time – mother is distressed so much that they try to attack the guy separating them – the cow senses that they are no longer going to see the calf. The cow cries – the voice that comes out, even though so many years have passed by, Pravinbhai can still hear that haunting voice!
◦We are separating calf from mother so that we can have milk, sweets etc. to enjoy
◦When calf is separated – the cow is so shocked that for 2-3 days it does not produce any milk. Shock is similar to that if someone has died!
What happens to the calf?
◦Used for veal meat industry. Veal is tender - a delicacy for meat eaters
◦How is calf treated to get large amount of veal on calf:
