Famous, well-respected, hall-of-fame-type, legendary artists....... that you HATE!
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JeanneDarc
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Tom Waits. Never got it. Overrated stuff for bitter cynics without humor.
Pervomartovtsi
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I just don't want to spread my hate,but only one won't do harm
Bob Marley
Bob Marley
AlbertFinney
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May I jump in on the defence of Bob Marley and Reggae in general.
Just 'cause Morrissey makes a flippant comment doesn't mean you have to follow it. For me older reggae is absolutley fantastic. A World without 60's reggae would be a lot worse off.
Morrissey was no stranger to early Reggae anyway. Have you not read the numerous comments that both he and Johnny loved "Young, gifted and black"?
Just 'cause Morrissey makes a flippant comment doesn't mean you have to follow it. For me older reggae is absolutley fantastic. A World without 60's reggae would be a lot worse off.
Morrissey was no stranger to early Reggae anyway. Have you not read the numerous comments that both he and Johnny loved "Young, gifted and black"?
poprenaissance
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neil young
eric clapton
eric clapton
dallow_bg
the one he left behind
Reggae is WILD!
We're not all Cods!
I love 60s and 70s reggae. But I still don't like Bob Marley.
I was going to make a thread later with some of my favorite reggae tracks for download to see if anyone liked them.
A world without Dr. Alimantado, Dandy Livingstone, Gregory Isaacs, Alton Ellis, Junior Murvin.... etc etc........ I shudder!
(still, no Bob Marley please! )
AlbertFinney said:
We're not all Cods!
I love 60s and 70s reggae. But I still don't like Bob Marley.
I was going to make a thread later with some of my favorite reggae tracks for download to see if anyone liked them.
A world without Dr. Alimantado, Dandy Livingstone, Gregory Isaacs, Alton Ellis, Junior Murvin.... etc etc........ I shudder!
(still, no Bob Marley please!
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Pervomartovtsi
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Re: Famous, well-respected, hall-of-fame-type, legendary artists....... that you HATE
I've disliked Bob Marley since I was a know-nothing kid of 10 years...I disliked him even more when i turned into a Punk kid...and I still dislike him now that I'm at least a bit more mature and culturized in music...it's not eveything about Morrissey (you know I even eat meat)
well spreading hate i also hate Brian Molko
AlbertFinney said:
I've disliked Bob Marley since I was a know-nothing kid of 10 years...I disliked him even more when i turned into a Punk kid...and I still dislike him now that I'm at least a bit more mature and culturized in music...it's not eveything about Morrissey (you know I even eat meat)
well spreading hate i also hate Brian Molko
davdavon
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Re: Famous, well-respected, hall-of-fame-type, legendary artists....... that you HATE
I can think of very few Morrissey songs that this could be argued for... the immediate suspect is Life Is A Pigsty (I can't listen to this song without imagining the Scorpions covering it... gosh... not a pleasant thing to imagine). But most Morrissey songs are, in my opinion, too minoric, too flawed (in a good sense) to sound fascist.
Worm said:
I can think of very few Morrissey songs that this could be argued for... the immediate suspect is Life Is A Pigsty (I can't listen to this song without imagining the Scorpions covering it... gosh... not a pleasant thing to imagine). But most Morrissey songs are, in my opinion, too minoric, too flawed (in a good sense) to sound fascist.
Worm
Taste the diffidence
Re: Famous, well-respected, hall-of-fame-type, legendary artists....... that you HATE
I'm sorry, I must have been running off to pee or something. I sounded more cryptic than I intended.
Morrissey's music is not itself fascist. Most music is not in itself fascist nor does it actively promote fascism. However, the end result of the music-- the impact it makes on our society-- allows the actual forces of fascism to triumph. Obviously I'm painting in the broadest brushstrokes here. Music is an antidote to fascism for many people but the larger trends are much more powerful. The bitter irony is that rock and roll advertises itself as liberation.
davdavon said:
I'm sorry, I must have been running off to pee or something. I sounded more cryptic than I intended.
Morrissey's music is not itself fascist. Most music is not in itself fascist nor does it actively promote fascism. However, the end result of the music-- the impact it makes on our society-- allows the actual forces of fascism to triumph. Obviously I'm painting in the broadest brushstrokes here. Music is an antidote to fascism for many people but the larger trends are much more powerful. The bitter irony is that rock and roll advertises itself as liberation.
David
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Re: Famous, well-respected, hall-of-fame-type, legendary artists....... that you HATE
So if fans flying lighters to Pink Floyd songs is fascist, but thousands of crazed Moz fans chanting "MORRISSEY! MORRISSEY!" over and over again is not, then I see a double standard. However, I personally see nothing wrong with either instance.
So if fans flying lighters to Pink Floyd songs is fascist, but thousands of crazed Moz fans chanting "MORRISSEY! MORRISSEY!" over and over again is not, then I see a double standard. However, I personally see nothing wrong with either instance.
davdavon
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Re: Famous, well-respected, hall-of-fame-type, legendary artists....... that you HATE
Umm... well, I must say that saying that the "end result of the music . . . allows the actual forces of fascism to triumph" is even more cryptic than what you said before...
Anyway, when I was referring to stadium-rock as fascist I didn't mean that it was serving fascist forces... it was a little tongue-in-cheek... I mean, well, first of all, just to be accurate, it's anachronistic describing contemporary social trends as "fascist" since fascism is a historical phenomenon and not an a-historical essence. There are certain social trends which romanticize violence (umm, yeah, Morrissey does that too) and have oppressive (in the liberal sense of the word) views, yes, but I wouldn't call them fascist.
And, well, to get to the point, when I was describing Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin as fascist I was referring to a certain type of aesthetics present in their music. Something grandiose, spotless, humorless. I wouldn't go so far to claim that it allows forces of fascism to triumph. I'm more concerned about the triumph of bad taste.
Worm said:
Umm... well, I must say that saying that the "end result of the music . . . allows the actual forces of fascism to triumph" is even more cryptic than what you said before...
Anyway, when I was referring to stadium-rock as fascist I didn't mean that it was serving fascist forces... it was a little tongue-in-cheek... I mean, well, first of all, just to be accurate, it's anachronistic describing contemporary social trends as "fascist" since fascism is a historical phenomenon and not an a-historical essence. There are certain social trends which romanticize violence (umm, yeah, Morrissey does that too) and have oppressive (in the liberal sense of the word) views, yes, but I wouldn't call them fascist.
And, well, to get to the point, when I was describing Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin as fascist I was referring to a certain type of aesthetics present in their music. Something grandiose, spotless, humorless. I wouldn't go so far to claim that it allows forces of fascism to triumph. I'm more concerned about the triumph of bad taste.
Worm
Taste the diffidence
"Fascism" is a specific reference, yes, but it's generally accepted as a term with wider applications. I think what you're objecting to is the way in which the term is often misused, and I agree with you. It does get thrown around a lot by people who want it to mean anything they disagree with politically. Teachers tell their students to quiet down in the classroom and they get called fascists.
At any rate, it was probably useless to make the comment I made. (Perhaps worse than useless, as Jon has smelled something bad.) I'm not saying these bands are promoting fascism in one form or another. Rather, they open the door for unsavory influences beyond the music industry. Rock and roll has institutionalized rebellion to the point where it is controllable by "other" forces.
It's a proof's-in-the-pudding argument. We are now in the fourth or fifth generation of institutionalized, sanctioned rebellion. The ideas and attitudes of rock and roll have permeated every corner of society in America and the United Kingdom, and lots of other nations. So it's interesting to think about the following question: what sort of governments do we have?
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...Vice-Admiral Timothy Keating, Commander of the US Fifth Fleet, and a distinguished Naval Aviator. He was addressing the crew of the aircraft carrier USS Constellation shortly before the first cruise missiles were fired [into Iraq], on March 20th.
He said, apparently borrowing a phrase from MC Hammer, the pop singer [as noted in the Detroit News]:
"Make no mistake, when the President says `Go', look out, it's hammer time. OK, it is hammer time".
Vice-Admiral Keating also said:
“We are going to make the world safer for our children and our grandchildren. There is a good reason for it. It is to save lives – your lives.
… you are dying to get home, as soon as the old man will let you go home.
We have done everything we can to avoid war. We are now going to do everything we can to win war. If and when he tells us to go. Stay ready. The President is counting on you.
Mr. President, the men and women of the Connie Battle Group are by God ready”.
Ironically it was reported that ship's loudspeakers at some point played the Queen song “We Will Rock You”.
At any rate, it was probably useless to make the comment I made. (Perhaps worse than useless, as Jon has smelled something bad.) I'm not saying these bands are promoting fascism in one form or another. Rather, they open the door for unsavory influences beyond the music industry. Rock and roll has institutionalized rebellion to the point where it is controllable by "other" forces.
It's a proof's-in-the-pudding argument. We are now in the fourth or fifth generation of institutionalized, sanctioned rebellion. The ideas and attitudes of rock and roll have permeated every corner of society in America and the United Kingdom, and lots of other nations. So it's interesting to think about the following question: what sort of governments do we have?
________________________________________________
...Vice-Admiral Timothy Keating, Commander of the US Fifth Fleet, and a distinguished Naval Aviator. He was addressing the crew of the aircraft carrier USS Constellation shortly before the first cruise missiles were fired [into Iraq], on March 20th.
He said, apparently borrowing a phrase from MC Hammer, the pop singer [as noted in the Detroit News]:
"Make no mistake, when the President says `Go', look out, it's hammer time. OK, it is hammer time".
Vice-Admiral Keating also said:
“We are going to make the world safer for our children and our grandchildren. There is a good reason for it. It is to save lives – your lives.
… you are dying to get home, as soon as the old man will let you go home.
We have done everything we can to avoid war. We are now going to do everything we can to win war. If and when he tells us to go. Stay ready. The President is counting on you.
Mr. President, the men and women of the Connie Battle Group are by God ready”.
Ironically it was reported that ship's loudspeakers at some point played the Queen song “We Will Rock You”.
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David
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Re: Famous, well-respected, hall-of-fame-type, legendary artists....... that you HATE
Something grandiose, spotless, humorless. I wouldn't go so far to claim that it allows forces of fascism to triumph. I'm more concerned about the triumph of bad taste.
I'll give you that Pink Floyd is grandiose, spotless and humorless (although Zeppelin sings about Lord of the Rings at times for God's sake), but I will disagree with you that Pink Floyd's music is in bad taste. To each his own.
Something grandiose, spotless, humorless. I wouldn't go so far to claim that it allows forces of fascism to triumph. I'm more concerned about the triumph of bad taste.
I'll give you that Pink Floyd is grandiose, spotless and humorless (although Zeppelin sings about Lord of the Rings at times for God's sake), but I will disagree with you that Pink Floyd's music is in bad taste. To each his own.
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