Geoff Travis on the Morrissey of today

(Originally posted in the Strange/unexpected Moz references? thread)

Rough around the edges: Former Smiths record label manager talks about his latest batch of Irish acts


"The first question you must of course ask Geoff Travis is what he thinks of Morrissey’s ongoing descent into far-right notoriety. Back in 1980s Travis discovered The Smiths and, with his record label Rough Trade, helped propel Moz toward gladioli-flourishing immortality. How long ago that must seem — how bittersweet the memories.

“Not bitter, no,” says Travis. “It was one of those periods that went by in a flash. Morrissey wasn’t the person he now seems to be. He was an interesting character to be around. As a band, The Smiths were an unstoppable force. A lot of years have gone by. I don’t think I’d recognise the Morrissey of today. It’s sad what he’s become, in terms of his views.”"


https://www.irishexaminer.com/break...ut-his-latest-batch-of-irish-acts-963182.html

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A brief Morrissey segue in to the article's title.
Regards,
FWD.
 
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There would be no point in denying something that was confirmed - it would hardly be a vote winner. You couldn't cope with real politics - it's convoluted & dull.
But it doesn't help that you are stupid and resistant to facts which makes it even harder. You belong there.
 
Oh the R word again which today means nothing and is in fact a feather in the cap for anyone in tune with the times.
Your defence of jews and Israel would land in you trouble as your party leader is in fact an anti semite and probably even a racist.
Did you know that socialism inspired the nazis and that swedish and danish and english socialists were all involved?

But you actually are racist, so it's retaining its original meaning.

And no I wouldn't get into trouble for defending Jewish people & having a nuanced view of Israel's political position, because they couldn't possibly justify it.
 
Trill, do you actually mean to look like a racist? Because you now look like a racist.
 
You're obviously very invested in the idea that Jewish people are using Hollywood to outnumber white people (as if that improves their demographic situation in any way since they're only 0.2% of the world's population), but it's not an objective fact & doesn't take into account that skin colour is only one of a range of identity markers & not a particularly important one unless you're living in a very bleak community or you've spent too much time on The Daily Stormer.

You conflaited two seperate arguments i was making. I didn't say that Jews were using Hollywood for explicitly promoting open borders. Jews do use it as a tool for propaganda pushing many agendas. Watch Sprites latest commercial. You mention they make up 2% of the population but don't see the that it's strange how unbalanced their representation is in Entertainment and Banking.
Yes skin color and culture are very important and mass immigration is a concern. Open borders is an invasion of Western Civilization. I don't know what the daily stormer is, not a site I use
 
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You conflaited two seperate arguments i was making. I didn't say that Jews were using Hollywood for explicitly promoting open borders. Jews do use it as a tool for propaganda pushing many agendas. Watch Sprites latest commercial. You mention they make up 2% of the population but don't see the that it's strange how unbalanced their representation is in Entertainment and Banking.
Yes skin color and culture are very important and mass immigration is a concern. Open borders is an invasion of Western Civilization. I don't know what the daily stormer is, not a site I use

You didn't make it clear that you had 2 conspiracy theories on the go & not just one. Jewish people are not working as a group - they're individuals who have been successful in professions that were open to them. Their representation isn't unbalanced, you just have confirmation bias - you're looking for them, so that's all you see. No, skin colour is not important & Western culture isn't so weak that it's about to disappear. The practicalities of open borders are a concern, but it's not because it's 'an invasion'.
 
You didn't make it clear that you had 2 conspiracy theories on the go & not just one. Jewish people are not working as a group - they're individuals who have been successful in professions that were open to them. Their representation isn't unbalanced, you just have confirmation bias - you're looking for them, so that's all you see. No, skin colour is not important & Western culture isn't so weak that it's about to disappear. The practicalities of open borders are a concern, but it's not because it's 'an invasion'.

You're ignorant and niave. Throwing around words like conspiracy theory you love using buzzwords. I didn't have to look hard dummy, look at the history of Hollywood itself. Banking and Hollywood/Music is run by Jews (I never said they were all working together again you reframing arguments because you're a liar).

Tell people in Baltimore skin color isn't important. Demographics make or break a culture. This is a fact . Skin cokor and culture go pretty hand in hand. This melting pot idea is a recipe for conflict and it's intentional
 
You're ignorant and niave. Throwing around words like conspiracy theory you love using buzzwords. I didn't have to look hard dummy, look at the history of Hollywood itself. Banking and Hollywood/Music is run by Jews (I never said they were all working together again you reframing arguments because you're a liar).

Tell people in Baltimore skin color isn't important. Demographics male or break a culture. This is a fact . Skin cokor and culture go pretty hand in hand. This melting pot idea is a recipe for conflict and it's intentional

Conspiracy theory is the right word. There is no one trying to break the culture with demographics (either by working together or because you think they're all individually malign because of their religion - or whatever you think the mechanism is). Cultures evolve & human beings fight over the direction of that evolution, because that's what we do. There has never been a civilization that didn't have fault lines & economic opportunity has more impact on an area than skin colour.
 
You didn't make it clear that you had 2 conspiracy theories on the go & not just one. Jewish people are not working as a group - they're individuals who have been successful in professions that were open to them. Their representation isn't unbalanced, you just have confirmation bias - you're looking for them, so that's all you see. No, skin colour is not important & Western culture isn't so weak that it's about to disappear. The practicalities of open borders are a concern, but it's not because it's 'an invasion'.
I beg to differ. Have you read the book "The Naked Communist" by W. Cleon Skousen? Many of these symptoms are an outworking of a greater problem in the United States. It is a clear and present danger that threatens the very fabric and foundation of this country: http://www.worldviewweekend.com/new...lowed-marxism-surround-us-collapse-us-within/
 
But you actually are racist, so it's retaining its original meaning.

And no I wouldn't get into trouble for defending Jewish people & having a nuanced view of Israel's political position, because they couldn't possibly justify it.
You haven't even studied the history of your party. You lefties have to call others racist to deflect from the fact that you are the real racists.

You pretend to be a politician but it is obvious you are not. Corbyn is completely unknown to you then.
 
I see Trill did mean to look like a racist. Being hated by a racist isn't a bad thing. Although the stalking is disturbed & creepy.
 
Doesn't matter what you might read, whatever it is, it's just someone's viewpoint...in order to sell a book, i.e. their product.

You either choose to believe that what you read, & what someone said, is either true, or not.

Engage your brain, & make up your own mind.

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I beg to differ. Have you read the book "The Naked Communist" by W. Cleon Skousen? Many of these symptoms are an outworking of a greater problem in the United States. It is a clear and present danger that threatens the very fabric and foundation of this country: http://www.worldviewweekend.com/new...lowed-marxism-surround-us-collapse-us-within/

I had a skim read of The Future Task chapter (it's online) & it mostly looks like hyperbolic paranoia. It wasn't a Soviet Union take-over or all down to Marxism - left-wingers & liberals believe in left-wing & liberal principles & when they're in positions of power they promote those principles. It's a power struggle within the West, not a plot (although I understand that thinking of it as a plot is more entertaining & seems more controllable).

I'm on the left & we don't all agree with each other & we fight over it. Same on the right. It's normal & there's no getting away from it.

But thanks for the book recommendation! It's always interesting to see where someone else is coming from.
 
You haven't even studied the history of your party. You lefties have to call others racist to deflect from the fact that you are the real racists.

You pretend to be a politician but it is obvious you are not. Corbyn is completely unknown to you then.

I have studied the history of my party. I'm not a politician, I work for them (occasionally). And I do know Corbyn & whatever personal prejudices he & his circle have, they're not going to sack someone for a reasonably argued position on a Morrissey fan forum. They'd look appalling.
 
Doesn't matter what you might read, whatever it is, it's just someone's viewpoint...in order to sell a book, i.e. their product.

You either choose to believe that what you read, & what someone said, is either true, or not.

Engage your brain, & make up your own mind.

End.
Then this forum ought to go altogether. After all, it is just someone's viewpoint. One viewpoint after the other. Like yours. Makes sense. o_O Where is your brain? :crazy:
 
I have studied the history of my party. I'm not a politician, I work for them (occasionally). And I do know Corbyn & whatever personal prejudices he & his circle have, they're not going to sack someone for a reasonably argued position on a Morrissey fan forum. They'd look appalling.
That explains it then, you are an amateur volunteer and they are always the loudest and the worst.
 

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