Is Coronavirus as serious as they say?

[Light Housework]

Lockdowns are a waste of time at this point. We need to get to 80% of the population vaccinated by Nov. + potentially a booster shot for those who want it and we will be OK.

The problem is the CDC lifted the mask mandates for indoors way too soon. It happened nationwide on June 15th and really they should have waited until August 1st.

Anyway, I do think the worst is behind us. Risk goes way up for the unvaccinated though, however. I do not believe in mandatory vaccinations.

Sure, 80%, then, just 85%, then, a demand for 90%, and so on.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

As already posted (by born to mourn) it seems in America a third shot will be necessary, because the 3 week (?) period between the two shots was not long enough to maximize protection.

Did you get an option of when you wanted to receive your second shot?

Lockdowns are a waste of time at this point. We need to get to 80% of the population vaccinated by Nov. + potentially a booster shot for those who want it and we will be OK.

The problem is the CDC lifted the mask mandates for indoors way too soon. It happened nationwide on June 15th and really they should have waited until August 1st.

Anyway, I do think the worst is behind us. Risk goes way up for the unvaccinated though, however. I do not believe in mandatory vaccinations.

 

[ThePoliticalRevolution]

As already posted (by born to mourn) it seems in America a third shot will be necessary, because the 3 week (?) period between the two shots was not long enough to maximize protection.

Did you get an option of when you wanted to receive your second shot?

I don't think I'll do a booster. I got the J & J and am quite healthy. If I get the variant, it will be like the common cold.

 

[Deleted member 28251]

Sure, 80%, then, just 85%, then, a demand for 90%, and so on.

So true. The thirst will never be slaked.

 

[Verso]

Katie Hopkins was there... with the Ickes, the failed GP, the heritage guy & Piers Corbyn.

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If you squint, you can see reelfountain sitting on Hovis’ shoulders. I think she’s about to get her tits out.

 

[Deleted member 28602]

How high is the protection rate from hospitilization and death among non-vaccinated people?

There should be data out there based on unvaccinated comparison groups. But I can't find any.

Without having any data available, I just assume that the protection rate from hospitalization and death among unvaccinated folks (those with and without pre-existing medical diseases) who solely rely on their immune system (as we have learned during the first corona wave) is also somewhat inbetween 80-95 %.

Saying that those having been vaccinated twice have a protection rate from hospitalization and death of 80-95%, implies that this high number is solely due to the vaccine's impact, which would be misleading, of course.

So, it is clear that the vaccine can protect from infection and symptoms of infection, and especially when it comes to reducing the number of infections, it can help curb the spreading of the virus.

But it is not really clear to me, inasmuch the vaccine can protect people from hospitalization and death.

 

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Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

apnews.com

 

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Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

apnews.com

how many of those "unvaccinated deaths" are from people under 80?

 

[nicky wire's legs]

by the way, trans, i thought of you when i was reading lolita

 

[Trans]

You’ll have to look that up yourself and yes I do like Nabokov but whenever I read him these days I just think of amis

 

[Deleted member 28251]

A week ago, nightclubs (only) were to require Covid passports. By Friday it was football matches too.

Today we are ‘hearing’ all people on all University campuses are going to need Covid passports.

Tomorrow, the bus stop will require you to have a Covid passport.

It’s almost like a comprehensive national ID scheme is coming our way (in the UK), at at rate of knots.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

A week ago, nightclubs (only) were to require Covid passports. By Friday it was football matches too.

Today we are ‘hearing’ all people on all University campuses are going to need Covid passports.

Tomorrow, the bus stop will require you to have a Covid passport.

It’s almost like a comprehensive national ID scheme is coming our way (in the UK), at at rate of knots.

They don't need it!

They can get your data from your phone.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

You’ll have to look that up yourself and yes I do like Nabokov but whenever I read him these days I just think of amis

That's not what I meant. But anyway Nabokov and Amis are nothing alike. Absolutely nothing alike. Perhaps it is Kurt vonnegut you're thinking of who makes you think of Amis.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

How high is the protection rate from hospitilization and death among non-vaccinated people?

There should be data out there based on unvaccinated comparison groups. But I can't find any.

Without having any data available, I just assume that the protection rate from hospitalization and death among unvaccinated folks (those with and without pre-existing medical diseases) who solely rely on their immune system (as we have learned during the first corona wave) is also somewhat inbetween 80-95 %.

Saying that those having been vaccinated twice have a protection rate from hospitalization and death of 80-95%, implies that this high number is solely due to the vaccine's impact, which would be misleading, of course.

So, it is clear that the vaccine can protect from infection and symptoms of infection, and especially when it comes to reducing the number of infections, it can help curb the spreading of the virus.

But it is not really clear to me, inasmuch the vaccine can protect people from hospitalization and death.

Although not for the reasons you’re conjecturing above, you’re not too far off. Data is available btw, exactly as was submitted by the vaccine manufacturers to the FDA for EUA.

No one who has seen those results or who knows how to interpret them is taking any of the “vaccines”, under any circumstances

 

[Anonymous]

A week ago, nightclubs (only) were to require Covid passports. By Friday it was football matches too.

Today we are ‘hearing’ all people on all University campuses are going to need Covid passports.

Tomorrow, the bus stop will require you to have a Covid passport.

It’s almost like a comprehensive national ID scheme is coming our way (in the UK), at at rate of knots.

Good, the sooner everyone is vaccinated, the sooner the pandemic will end. It's not you vs. the government, it's everyone against the virus. If mandates and passports are what works, then so be it.

 

[countthree]

A week ago, nightclubs (only) were to require Covid passports. By Friday it was football matches too.

Today we are ‘hearing’ all people on all University campuses are going to need Covid passports.

Tomorrow, the bus stop will require you to have a Covid passport.

It’s almost like a comprehensive national ID scheme is coming our way (in the UK), at at rate of knots.

Some people will change their habits.

We have a national ID with a number in my country. They take your fingerprints when you are an innocent child. It's so humilliating. I always felt that being identified with a number is a very grave insult to a person's individuality. And the fingerprints! There was a project to take a sample of our DNA. Surely organ's farm related. They can't even secure food for children, so it's obvious they won't use our dnas in local scientific investigations. Besides all that, people were used to test vaccines and when sick and old people needed those vaccines there weren't enough, and Pfizer, that was tested here and it's the only one approved for sick children, it is not applied here. They were tested here for being used in other countries. The government let others treat people like lab rats. What kind of evil monsters do that?

 

[nicky wire's legs]

How high is the protection rate from hospitilization and death among non-vaccinated people?

There should be data out there based on unvaccinated comparison groups. But I can't find any.

Without having any data available, I just assume that the protection rate from hospitalization and death among unvaccinated folks (those with and without pre-existing medical diseases) who solely rely on their immune system (as we have learned during the first corona wave) is also somewhat inbetween 80-95 %.

Saying that those having been vaccinated twice have a protection rate from hospitalization and death of 80-95%, implies that this high number is solely due to the vaccine's impact, which would be misleading, of course.

So, it is clear that the vaccine can protect from infection and symptoms of infection, and especially when it comes to reducing the number of infections, it can help curb the spreading of the virus.

But it is not really clear to me, inasmuch the vaccine can protect people from hospitalization and death.

brett weinstein talks here about the absolute risk reduction of the vaccines. the whole idea of the vaccines being 95% effective or whatever is based on the assumption that 100 out of 100 people not vaccinated will get covid and that is egregiously false.

 

[countthree]

brett weinstein talks here about the absolute risk reduction of the vaccines. the whole idea of the vaccines being 95% effective or whatever is based on the assumption that 100 out of 100 people not vaccinated will get covid and that is egregiously false.

It's true that there's something about the numbers that doesn't make sense.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

It's true that there's something about the numbers that doesn't make sense.

the abolute risk reduction, according to a pfizer study, is only like .7%. the absolute risk reduction being the number of infected non-vaccinated people minus infected vaccinated people. so, in the example in the video, if 1 in 100 vaccinated people get covid, 2 in 100 non vaccinated people might get covid. so that's quite quite different from them stating that it's 95% effective.

 

[Deleted member 28251]

Some people will change their habits.

We have a national ID with a number in my country. They take your fingerprints when you are an innocent child. It's so humilliating. I always felt that being identified with a number is a very grave insult to a person's individuality. And the fingerprints! There was a project to take a sample of our DNA. Surely organ's farm related. They can't even secure food for children, so it's obvious they won't use our dnas in local scientific investigations. Besides all that, people were used to test vaccines and when sick and old people needed those vaccines there weren't enough, and Pfizer, that was tested here and it's the only one approved for sick children, it is not applied here. They were tested here for being used in other countries. The government let others treat people like lab rats. What kind of evil monsters do that?

Yes, national ID schemes are about power relations. They can’t be reduced to issues of ‘data’.