It’s not about politics
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I won't speak for bhops, but I'm a classical liberal, and I get the sense that he isn't an old-school conservative either. Despite what the pinkos on these forums insist, modern conservatism is very big-tent and accepts the religious conservatives, fiscal conservatives, classical liberals, disaffected liberals, and libertarians—essentially everyone that modern "liberalism" has pushed away. Modern conservatism is growing, and we see this with things like #WalkAway. Modern liberalism is no longer liberal, and there are only so many socialists and communists out there to appeal to, so inevitably, the left is losing net support.
All the empty insults mean nothing. They don't work anymore. We are not extremists. We reject violence, we reject communism, and we reject Nazism. The pathetic attempts of the media this weekend to paint all Trump supporters as white supremacists still manage to disgust me on one level, but I realize that they are just destroying themselves by creating a false narrative that only a small portion of society would even entertain.
It's not about politics. President Trump himself isn't even a conservative in any conventional manner. This is a cultural movement, and society is undergoing the type of fundamental change that it has been crying out for for a very long time. We, the people, are winning again, and we are learning how to stand up for ourselves and for our freedom again. It's happening worldwide. No one can stop us now.
Where we go one, we go all.
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bhops
Last of the famous international screw ups.
Pretty much this. I am a Conservative in that I believe in smaller government, less taxation, property rights, the right of sovereign nations to defend their borders and the ability to control your own destiny while the govt generally keeps out of my business. Radical stuff I know.
Has the Conservative movement changed over the years? well sure I guess it has and you'd want it to. At the same time so has the liberal/Democrat movements. Who can forget Bill Clinton's sterling State of the Union address about the evils of illegal immigration and the right of America to deport illegals? Now days Dems can't get enough of those 'undocumented migrants' as they sure love them votes, votes, votes! They need them quick too as Trump's approval ratings amongst blacks and hispanics has doubled in the two years since he took office. If they double again in the coming 24 months trump probably has a 2nd term locked down.
Conservatism has certainly evolved. I know, back before my adult years, in Canada, we had two federal parties that leaned right, and the problem was that neither could get elected. One was a more traditional socially conservative party, while the other was more socially progressive. In the years that followed, however, the unification of the two parties occurred with the formation of the present Conservative Party. The Tories governed federally from 2006 to 2015 under Prime Minister Harper.
Anyway, this unification process is analogous to what has been happening with conservatism worldwide. It works because basic things like equality work. We can support religious liberty while also allowing people to make their own choices free from government interference. Certainly, especially in the last few years, that more libertarian and classical liberal influence on conservatism has allowed it to become attractive to a much wider range of people, and that range is only becoming wider.
When I listen to Jordan Peterson talk about the psychological indicators of political preference, it makes me think to myself, "well, this is true, but it also doesn't reflect what modern liberalism and conservatism are." He speaks of a traditional conceptualization of liberalism and conservatism that does not exist in today's society. The truth is, as Peterson says, you need both liberals and conservatives for society to be successful. The thing is, most conservatives and liberals are voting for centre-right parties now. They're basically on the same team by and large as more and more liberals are cast out from their parties. The new right pretty much has all it needs. Society can do without the commies and neo-Nazis, after all.
Another local example is what happened with Ontario's provincial election in June. The Progressive Conservative Party won in a landslide, while the Liberal Party which formed the previous government—a majority government, mind you!—was totally decimated and lost official party status. I'm not joking or exaggerating when I keep saying that liberalism is no longer liberalism and that liberal parties have abandoned their people. They absolutely have, and the consequences for these politicians who have chosen to go farther and farther left have been terrible so far for them.
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Gothenburg, Sweden, tonight!
https://www.pscp.tv/ZagrosHama/1YqKDQwzQVEGV?t=111
People desperate to move their cars.
https://www.pscp.tv/ZagrosHama/1YqKDQwzQVEGV?t=111
People desperate to move their cars.
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Major unrest all over Gothenburg tonight and other areas of Sweden.
Frölunda, Hjällbo, Gårdsten, Tynnered, Eriksbo and Trollhättan affected. Even mainstream media mentions it and are even having online live feeds.
Frölunda, Hjällbo, Gårdsten, Tynnered, Eriksbo and Trollhättan affected. Even mainstream media mentions it and are even having online live feeds.
Also in regard to the evolution of conservatism, lines have been drawn over the past year or so as new classical liberal and libertarian elements have joined with traditional conservatism to form the basis of the modern right. People have united, with the basis of the movement being set out, but certain radical elements have been identified and subsequently excluded by the modern right. When it became clear that the "alt-right" was a clear problem and that it did not belong and was not welcome within the modern right, it was quite swiftly disavowed.
On the other hand, the left has not done a good enough job of identifying the radical elements that have attached to it and disavowing them. We see people in Antifa who are violent anarchists, and we even see Antifa members doing the Nazi salute and brandishing swastikas and hammer and sickle banners. These types of people are not welcome on the right, and I'm not sure why there is still this reluctance from the left to say "no" flat out when it comes to Antifa and the other radical groups.
On the other hand, the left has not done a good enough job of identifying the radical elements that have attached to it and disavowing them. We see people in Antifa who are violent anarchists, and we even see Antifa members doing the Nazi salute and brandishing swastikas and hammer and sickle banners. These types of people are not welcome on the right, and I'm not sure why there is still this reluctance from the left to say "no" flat out when it comes to Antifa and the other radical groups.
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The success of Sinn Fein and their terror group IRA is probably the answer and both of those are lefties as we know. I suspect the lefties hardcore realise they are so past it that violence is the only thing that can keep them in power and it is working very well as we all can see.
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We call that "valboskap" (election cattle) in Sweden. Lefties are really reliant on the poor people to flock like herds at every election and vote for them despite that vote meaning just another time period where they rely on welfare in the shape of benefits.
I heard a stupid american say that there is no such thing as a european dream only the american but Europe and other parts of the world outside USA has loads of success stories that made even more money than some american success stories.
There is wealth and poverty everywhere but for the most part the masses are controlled and held down cause they pose a threat to the really wealthy who of course need to keep them being the slaves they are working for peanuts and dying at an early age.
Socialism has the same mechanism that you see among junkies where everyone keeps everyone down and if someone leaves that group and gets a better life then that person is hated forever.
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I'm not sure what all this nonsense is, and honestly, being called a "f***** cuck" by a commu-fascist is kind of a compliment. But no, I don't think the Alex Jones censorship stuff is legit. His website was "taken down" only for it to redirect to a ridiculous page with links to all his other websites, merchandise, donations, etc. It's a contrived distraction and a stunt, and further proof that Jones is more or less controlled opposition.
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Wise words. Do you follow Q Anon?You dont really have to be tolerant to be tolerant of those who are in your group think tank.
caramel sea salt
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Turns out the anon holocaust denier is also the anon gay basher.
It's always the ones you least expect.
Turns out the anon holocaust denier is also the anon gay basher.
It's always the ones you least expect.
Untruth wears many hats, so to speak.
Johnny Barleycorn
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I remain unconvinced by QAnon. The style of writing reminds me of a Nostradamus quatrain, appearing to contain great wisdom but so open to interpretation as to be almost entirely meaningless. QAnon supplies questions in the guise of supplying answers. I’d like it to be true, but it’s the easiest thing in the world for a man to appear to hold a great secret.
Hannity is probably the most on target, having the ear of the President himself. A lot of Hannity’s predictions have been coming true.
Communism seems to be in fashion at the moment within a vanishingly small group of what seems to be rather agreeably off trustifarian whites, protesting while waiting for mummy and daddy’s bank transfer to clear.
There’s even been talk here in recent weeks by the halfwits of an online blog called Novara Media of a thing called “luxury communism,” a concept they fail to fully explain. I assume it means when they kick you to death they keep their slippers on.
The media of course, ever burdened by some bright spark once deciding to create a monster than must be fed every second of every minute of every hour, day and year forever. lapped it up as a good idea whose day has yet to come. A hundred million ghosts sighed.
caramel sea salt
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When they interviewed some QAnon folks on CNN their response to requests for any shred of proof was "prove we are wrong." This is the foundation of all conspiracy theories. There is no way to categorically refute them. They are rarely unfalsifiable. So they persist.
Also, do one “Ugly Devil”.
Also, do one “Ugly Devil”.
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Im not sure what Qanon is but from the posts here it would appear they should have their own CNN show.
Nothing but wackos there, maybe Qanon would bring in some cachet.
