It’s not about politics

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Anonymous

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Im not sure what Qanon is but from the posts here it would appear they should have their own CNN show.
Nothing but wackos there, maybe Qanon would bring in some cachet.:lbf:
According to Wikipedia:
QAnon refers to a conspiracy theory centered on Q, an online handle used on several image boards by a presumably American pseudonymous individual or group of individuals claiming to have access to classified information involving the Trump administration and its opponents in the United States. The theory details a supposed secret conspiracy by a "deep state" against President Trump and his supporters. Q has also accused numerous Hollywood actors, politicians, and other high-ranking officials of engaging in an international child sex trafficking ring. The conspiracy theory, mainly popularized by supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump under the names "The Storm" and "The Great Awakening".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon
 

Johnny Barleycorn

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I won't speak for bhops, but I'm a classical liberal, and I get the sense that he isn't an old-school conservative either. Despite what the pinkos on these forums insist, modern conservatism is very big-tent and accepts the religious conservatives, fiscal conservatives, classical liberals, disaffected liberals, and libertarians—essentially everyone that modern "liberalism" has pushed away. Modern conservatism is growing, and we see this with things like #WalkAway. Modern liberalism is no longer liberal, and there are only so many socialists and communists out there to appeal to, so inevitably, the left is losing net support.

All the empty insults mean nothing. They don't work anymore. We are not extremists. We reject violence, we reject communism, and we reject Nazism. The pathetic attempts of the media this weekend to paint all Trump supporters as white supremacists still manage to disgust me on one level, but I realize that they are just destroying themselves by creating a false narrative that only a small portion of society would even entertain.

It's not about politics. President Trump himself isn't even a conservative in any conventional manner. This is a cultural movement, and society is undergoing the type of fundamental change that it has been crying out for for a very long time. We, the people, are winning again, and we are learning how to stand up for ourselves and for our freedom again. It's happening worldwide. No one can stop us now.

Where we go one, we go all.

I rarely miss a Trump rally online. You know he’s going to be funny, engaging, positive and on occasion scurrilous, but never dull.

One thing that always strikes me though is wherever he goes, and however far he heads into what Acosta and his ilk would no doubt consider red neck country, the cheer that goes up when he mentions the reductions in Black, Hispanic and female unemployment is huge.

That doesn’t strike me as the behaviour of racists and misogynists.
 

The_Beginning

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Mind-blowing! If you're the Democrat Party, what do you even say to counter things like this? We all know that this is a non-partisan issue that Trump has forced the other side to take extreme and irrational positions on, as with many other issues. But how do middle-aged Democrat voters not seem to know or remember these things? Have they been living under a rock or something?

 

The_Beginning

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I rarely miss a Trump rally online. You know he’s going to be funny, engaging, positive and on occasion scurrilous, but never dull.

One thing that always strikes me though is wherever he goes, and however far he heads into what Acosta and his ilk would no doubt consider red neck country, the cheer that goes up when he mentions the reductions in Black, Hispanic and female unemployment is huge.

That doesn’t strike me as the behaviour of racists and misogynists.

And the proof is in the pudding when you look at his support among black Americans now. To really put this in perspective, Reagan in '84 only had 9% of the vote among blacks. For Trump to be at 36% approval now is absolutely amazing. In terms of how much of that will translate in to votes, the other side should be worried.
 

The_Beginning

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When they interviewed some QAnon folks on CNN their response to requests for any shred of proof was "prove we are wrong." This is the foundation of all conspiracy theories. There is no way to categorically refute them. They are rarely unfalsifiable. So they persist.

Also, do one “Ugly Devil”.

More interestingly, the mainstream media only use appeals to ridicule and interview people who, obviously, cannot "prove" it 100%. Why don't they address the many proofs and coincidences and try to debunk them?
 
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Me again

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This thread inspired me to do some research. Alert: if "hate facts" offend your sensibilities, look away now. Or, alternatively, if you do read on and don't like what you see, you can go and take it up with the mayors and representatives of these cities and regions - they have influence where I don't; I'm merely passing on what I've found.

- US cities with most gun violence per capita + largest racial groups:

1. St. Louis, Missouri (43% non-Hispanic white, 47% black)
2. Baltimore, Maryland (29% white, 63% black)
3. Detroit, Michigan (8% white, 83% black)
4. New Orleans, Louisiana (33% white, 60% black)
5. Birmingham, Alabama (22% white, 73% black)
6. Jackson, Mississippi (18% white, 79% black)
7. Baton Rouge, Louisiana (38% non-Hispanic white, 50% black)
8. Hartford, Connecticut (15% non-Hispanic white, 38% black, 43% Hispanic)
9. Salinas, California (75% Hispanic of any race)
10. Milwaukee, Wisconsin (37% non-Hispanic white, 40% black)
11. Washington D.C. (36% non-Hispanic white, 48% black)
12. Kansas City, Missouri (55% non-Hispanic white, 30% black)
13. Savannah, Georgia (32% non-Hispanic white, 55% black)

As this is per capita, these are the most gun murders in relation to how large the overall population is, which isn't to say there aren't more gun murders in other cities (such as 24. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 41.5% non-Hispanic black, 36% non-Hispanic white, 280 gun murders in 2015. And also 25. Chicago, Illinois: 31.5% white, 33% black, 29% Hispanic, 498 gun murders in 2015), but as they have more sizable populations the percentage of murders there works out as a lower per capita percentage. Chicago (#25) has a population of a couple of million people for example (498 gun murders in 2015), and St. Louis (#1) has a population of approximately 300,000 and had about 188 gun murders in 2015.

- Boroughs of London with the most acid attacks:

1. Newham (16.7% white British), 2. Borough of Barking and Dagenham (white British population fell from 81% to 49.5% between the years 2001-2011),
3. Tower Hamlets (31% white British, 32% Bangladeshi). Acid attackers by race: 32% white, 38% black. Acid attack victims by race: 45% white, 25% black.

The 13 US states with the least amount of gun crime:

1. Vermont (91% non-Hispanic white)
2. New Hampshire (92% non-Hispanic white)
3. Hawaii (26.5% white, 37% Asian, 23% mixed race)
4. North Dakota (88.7% non-Hispanic white)
5. Iowa (88% non-Hispanic white)
6. Idaho (80% white)
7. Utah (86% non-Hispanic white)
8. Maine (95% white)
9. Wyoming (82% non-Hispanic white)
10. Oregon (78.5% non-Hispanic white)
11. South Dakota (83.5% non-Hispanic white)
12. Minnesota (83% non-Hispanic white)
13. Montana (88% white)

The highest black percentage in any of these 13 states is 5% in North Dakota, and the highest Hispanic percentage in any of these states is 11% in Idaho.

States with the highest percentages of black people living there (in order):

1. Washington D.C. (50.7% of pop.)
2. Mississippi (37%)
3. Louisiana (32.4%)
4. Georgia (30.5%)
5. Maryland (29.5%)
6. South Carolina (28%)
7. Alabama (26%)
8. North Carolina (21.5%)
9. Delaware (21.5%)
10. Virginia (20%)

States with the most gun violence per capita (in order):

1. Washington D.C.
2. Missouri (St. Louis, Missouri is the city with the highest gun violence per capita: demographics of the city are 47% black, 43% non-Hispanic white)
3. Louisiana
4. Maryland
5. South Carolina
6. Delaware
7. Michigan (Detroit, Michigan is the city with the third highest rate of gun violence per capita: demographics of the city are 8% white, 81% black)
8. Mississippi
9. Georgia
10. Arizona (this state is 30% Hispanic, 58% non-Hispanic white, and illegal immigrants make up an estimated 8% of the population which is the second highest percentage of any US state.)

So seven of the ten states with the highest percentages of black people are also in the top ten states with the highest rates of gun violence (Washington D.C., Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, Delaware, Mississippi, Georgia).

Back to Britain, I took this from Wikipedia:

"In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service. The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent. Between April 2005 and January 2006, figures from the Metropolitan Police Service showed that black people accounted for 46 percent of car-crime arrests generated by automatic number plate recognition cameras."

Gee, I wonder if all this could be one of those instances where correlation does indeed equal causation? Occam's razor.

Demographics matter.

P.S. #QAnon is for easily manipulated brainlets; a Nostradamus or Baba Vanga for the Trump era. There is no 4D chess. Trump's foreign policy decisions truly are influenced to a large degree by the Zionists in his inner circle, the same as it was for all his recent predecessors. Israel first. (I could also get into (elite) Jewish overrepresentation in the media, academia, and influence on immigration policy, helping to turn a country that was 85% white in 1965 into one which is 60% white, and dwindling, in 2018, but I'd be here all night. If your conditioning on that question has yet to be broken then I'm unlikely to be the one who'll provide the breakthrough for you with this post.

It would take more than one man and one post to make someone see something when it's been drilled into your brain for as long as you can remember that it's all one giant "right-wing" conspiracy theory. But unlike #QAnon and Infowars style fabrications and contrived distractions, there's plenty of actual evidence to back this up. Better not ever talk about it publicly though unless you want to be doxxed, banned from social media sites, and potentially to earn a criminal record if you live in Europe. How many people do you know who've lost their jobs or been locked up for discussing 'QAnon', though? Such dissidents.)

P.P.S. Switzerland, which was mentioned as a country with a high rate of gun ownership but low gun crime, is approximately 95% white. Refer to the statistics posted above for information as to why this fact might be relevant.

(All statistics above taken from Wikipedia, worldatlas, bismarcktribune, newser, and factmonster.)

Here's another statistic which shows that the whitest and most Asian cities and states being the safest ones to live in isn't just an American phenomenon, but is true for and plays out in the same way in countries the world over. Pesky imperalism or something, right?
UNODC murder rates, most recent year:
Region Americas Rate 16.3 Count 157,000
Region Africa Rate 12.5 Count 135,000
Region World Rate 6.2 Count 437,000
Region Europe Rate 3.0 Count 22,000
Region Oceania Rate 3.0 Count 1,100
Region Asia Rate 2.9 Count 122,000

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state

 

Johnny Barleycorn

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And the proof is in the pudding when you look at his support among black Americans now. To really put this in perspective, Reagan in '84 only had 9% of the vote among blacks. For Trump to be at 36% approval now is absolutely amazing. In terms of how much of that will translate in to votes, the other side should be worried.

It’s why they are against voter registration. Labour are against it here. Just today it was reported a Labour councillor has been found guilty of voting twice in local elections. His defence? He didn’t know you couldn’t vote twice. He didn’t even get a custodial sentence.


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Charlie Cheswick

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I go on a political forum sometimes and it's about 30-40% full of libertarians. I used to dismiss libertarians but half of those are pretty sound people who will accept that despite Trump being on the right he's a complete tit. I don't agree with half of their politics but at least they're of sound mind. The trouble for sensible libertarians is the other half are complete f***ing idiots like Derek.
 

The_Beginning

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I go on a political forum sometimes and it's about 30-40% full of libertarians. I used to dismiss libertarians but half of those are pretty sound people who will accept that despite Trump being on the right he's a complete tit. I don't agree with half of their politics but at least they're of sound mind. The trouble for sensible libertarians is the other half are complete f***ing idiots like Derek.

The fact that you've called me an idiot—and curiously forcefully, I might add—on umpteen occasions, Charlie, doesn't make it so. It would be much more convenient were I an idiot, now wouldn't it? That way, your inability to rebut adequately the points I make could be overlooked.
 

scatterkeir

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I go on a political forum sometimes and it's about 30-40% full of libertarians. I used to dismiss libertarians but half of those are pretty sound people who will accept that despite Trump being on the right he's a complete tit. I don't agree with half of their politics but at least they're of sound mind. The trouble for sensible libertarians is the other half are complete f***ing idiots like Derek.

Do we know what the history of the term 'classical liberal' is? I never heard it until it started being used by dishonest or deluded right-wingers.
 

The_Beginning

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It’s why they are against voter registration. Labour are against it here. Just today it was reported a Labour councillor has been found guilty of voting twice in local elections. His defence? He didn’t know you couldn’t vote twice. He didn’t even get a custodial sentence.


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It's funny how we hear very different things from black people themselves as compared to what we hear from white progressives who, for whatever reason, think they speak, and need to speak, on behalf of black people.

"They [blacks] don't have, like, the knowledge [to get an I.D.]"

Call it ignorance, call it racism—it's ridiculous and it's wrong.
 
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URBANUS

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As far as politics go and the upcoming swedish election I have joined those that are not gonna vote at all since some of us realise elections and votes and politicians can never stop what is coming.
Something that is over is already over long before it is.
Since I am never returning to Sweden there really is no point at all trying to save the country and a part of me always wanted to see Sweden collapse into war and chaos cause I must admit that I hate Sweden and swedes in general.
 

scatterkeir

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The lack of self-awareness is staggering!

Ever heard of Google?

I wasn't having a go at you, I was genuinely asking Charlie out of curiosity.

Let's not you and me point at each other saying "the lack of self-awareness!", it will have no affect whatsoever except to take up time we could be using for something else.
 
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