Margaret Thatcher dies at 87

Margaret Thatcher dead

Subject of the Viva Hate song " Margaret on the Guillotine" has died today
British Prime Minister from 1979 until 1990 (?)
Morrissey also infamously wished her demise in the Brighton bombing of 1984
Wonder if we'll get comment on True to You?
 
You talk as though it's a choice between nob heads on the left or the right wing. Scargill for example was an utter idiot, I don't see how beating an idiot makes Thatcher anything other than somebody who beat an idiot.

I grew up under Thatcher too, obviously in a poorer area, I remember mass unemployment that has never gone away masked by the introduction of a variety of benefits that reduced that number. Her legacy is the widening of the gap between the poor and rich, the cementing of mass unemployment, the destruction of British industry, the selling off of our national assets under the lie that it would bring the man on the street savings while improving efficiencey - the opposite being true, boom and bust and the benefits culture. Still, a couple of million did well under her. What a load of shit.

What has the last twenty-five years taught us except it is a choice between knobheads? Our political classes of whichever stripe are a complete shower. That isn't just true here in the UK. The West's greatest failing over the last three decades or so has been its inability to come up with a statesman worthy of the term.

Scargill had the full support of the unions, Labour, Lord Bragg of the county of Dorsetshire, and even that great finker Pol Wellah. Scargill picked the wrong fight at the wrong time with someone intent on putting the unions back in their place. Surely no-one truly mourns the way the unions ran this country in the seventies? He is only thought of as an idiot now because he lost. If he had won he would be lauded as an hero of international socialism.

I was nearly killed in a house fire in 1974, when a candle set fire to the house. Why did we have candles in the house, our American friends might wonder? Because of the NUM - the National Union of Mineworkers - and the three day week, so you'll forgive me if I don't feel too warmly disposed towards them.
 
Re: Thatcher dies

Better still



A day to celebrate.


"Now it's down to Thatcher's Children and it's getting worse" sings Pete Wiley, as the obsequious eulogies unfold on terrestrial t.v, oblivious to the riot of irreverance online. Expecting Pete Wiley and others to not celebrate is indicative of a total failure to grasp how divisive and corrosive this bizarre woman was. I do not 'celebrate' her death, but I do not flinch from observing it's symbolic and cathartic effect on large parts of this troubled nation. Her grave will need 24/7/365 protection from vandalism. That's says a lot to me about a woman who mis-quoted Assis before launching her class-war in reverse.

Lots of grim humour, yes, but don't forget the dark mocking irony as she had the gall to misquote and insult St Francis of Assisi on the steps of No 10. Lots of otherpeople died today, some because of her ideological legacy. I'm sure she was well cared for in her final days, unlike some. no malice, no ill-will but nothing will stop the black humour, Twitter is just too much to cope with...and the hypocrisy of some of the right wing hack fan-boy appartachiks who had a field day when Saddam, Bin Laden and Ghadafi got their karmic blowback is priceless. She wasn't quite as obvious at them, but Belgrano was a war-crime too. The mainstream media have this all from their prepared file, Boris claims she's the greatest PM since Churchill which, in itself, is a back-handed compliment as he was no angel. And the craven new-Labour neoliberal clones appeal for calm, for the parties to be cancelled as the Telegraph closes every single comment thread because there's just such a spontaneous outpouring of love and respect....LOL! We're told we must respect her even though she never earned it and offered absolutely none in reciprocation, that any relief at the end of her era is 'inappropriate' and that her 'ceremonial' funeral, one step beneath a State Funeral is going to help us all realise "we're all in this together". No, we are not. Her death is symbolic of the death of the whole preposterous neoliberal financial evasion of peak everything through economic sophistry, it's a sign and a portent. She had the best medical care, she was shielded from the indignity of her cognitive decline unlike many her age who have no resources to manage a dignified exit. Her legacy and that of the whole neoliberal project collapsed in 2008, the financial crisis she helped birth rumbles on. she will be judged harshly by history purely on intellectual grounds, never mind for sinking the Belgrano. Her visit to Hillsboro the day after the tragedy is now entirely suspicious as the notes of her exchanges with the police have 'vanished'. As the truth about The Battle Of Orgreave emerges from within the Hillsboro mountain of data, I think her hagiography will collapse in ruins. just as her economic credentials and that of the cabal neoliberal thug economic priesthood who inspired her has done. Great track, Pete. A perfect compliment to "Imperfect List"
 
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Who asked you?!

Oh he's just sad because he's a Conservative who believes Reaganomics worked. His camp of dittoheads are all mourning the loss of the great iron fist or whatever the hell they call her. :D
 
What has the last twenty-five years taught us except it is a choice between knobheads? Our political classes of whichever stripe are a complete shower. That isn't just true here in the UK. The West's greatest failing over the last three decades or so has been its inability to come up with a statesman worthy of the term.

Scargill had the full support of the unions, Labour, Lord Bragg of the county of Dorsetshire, and even that great finker Pol Wellah. Scargill picked the wrong fight at the wrong time with someone intent on putting the unions back in their place. Surely no-one truly mourns the way the unions ran this country in the seventies? He is only thought of as an idiot now because he lost. If he had won he would be lauded as an hero of international socialism.

I was nearly killed in a house fire in 1974, when a candle set fire to the house. Why did we have candles in the house, our American friends might wonder? Because of the NUM - the National Union of Mineworkers - and the three day week, so you'll forgive me if I don't feel too warmly disposed towards them.



I feel no love for 'em either, hence my point that just because one is shite doesn't necessarily make the other good. I thought Scargill was an idiot at the time and nothing has changed. With hindsight it appears both the left and the right were and are abysmal in British politics. Even potentially positive aspects of Thatcherism such as the right to buy had a double edged sword. If I was one of those that did well out of her or if I knew anybody that did well out of her then I may have a different opinion, I'm struggling to see the positives on reflection. The thing I would say for her is that she went a long way without having to show a bit of tit, something not many women have managed.
 
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Who asked you?!

I don't need to be asked. I do what I want.

So sad comment. You made me puke. And this, THIS is Morrissey site? Morbid. MORBID!

I'm surprised you haven't drowned in your own vomit considering half the things that have come out of Morrissey's mouth in the last decade.

Oh he's just sad because he's a Conservative who believes Reaganomics worked. His camp of dittoheads are all mourning the loss of the great iron fist or whatever the hell they call her. :D

There you go...pretending to know things again. :rolleyes:
 
I often think this when I hear those marvellous Irish and Scots folk songs about the English. Well worth the centuries of bloodshed and turmoil to hear The Fields of Athenry, for example. They do love to moan about the English, even though that thieving bastard admitted he stole Trevalyn's corn.

you usually 'quite good' but this is silly. Irish and Scots sing songs about the Norman Toraigh Whores, not the bulk of people on the other island of these Isles of Wonder. Amhrán na bhFiann got it wrong, no true Saxon from Mercia ever gave into the inbred Franc Viking Norman thugs. i have to re-write that song for 2016's centenary, it's on my to do list. Your knowledge of English folkloric history is as flaky as your grasp of Irish history, but you're not alone in that, it's herd culture laziness and afflicts most of the population. Thatcher was a complete class-war merchant, she had a chip on her grocer's daughter shoulder and everyone else had to pay the price. She blew the North sea oil money to shift million or so onto incapacity rather than re-train the abandoned industrial working class. blaming the 'underclass' for that is best left to the like of public school ponces who write Little Britain scripts. Is it warm down there, Maggie? Shall i put some more coal on the hell-fire?
 
I'm sorry, did I disturb your Thatcher-bashing circle jerk?

Hey! ya Yank wanker, this is a big day for us Brits so just piss off, ok? Have a look at the thread title...it's a clue to the topic for discussion..about time you found a new Hollywood diva for your profile, that one's tired and not twisted enough. And like all your troll attempts, very, very obvious.."challenging behaviour with difficult to meet face time attention whore needs"...try and find something remotely fresh, or go feltch Skylarker again.
 
Man, you guys are pitiful tools ... Think what you want about Thatcher, but you don't celebrate a death of a person who isn't Hitler or something. But in your pathetic eyes, as Morrissey told you how to think about her, Thatcher probably was.

and those who celebrated the sinking of The Belgrano? "Gotcha!" Did Thatcher step in and protest that it was tasteless?
 
It's so easy to laugh
It's so easy to hate
It takes strength to be gentle and kind...

yeah, I remember Thatcher mis-quoting St Francis of Assisi on the steps of 10 Downing Street...she had real guts and strength when she sank the Belgrano, didn't she? Real gentle, kind way to help the Argentines get rid of their fascist generals...WAIT!
 
I'm surprised you haven't drowned in your own vomit considering half the things that have come out of Morrissey's mouth in the last decade.

It's such a bizarre and slightly pathetic contradiction (and seems only to apply to So_Low among online fansites) that disempowered haters like Viva should repeatedly come to a fansite to attack its subject and other fans. Even more tragic of course what DavidT has allowed to happen to this site and that he seems unable to distinguish between his "anti-censorship, free speech" position and infantile trolling.
 
Oh he's just sad because he's a Conservative who believes Reaganomics worked. His camp of dittoheads are all mourning the loss of the great iron fist or whatever the hell they call her. :D

She was the Ironing Lady and her irony was very cutting edge when quoting Assisi. I can't wait to watch Fox later today...and comment on her passing over at Town Hall and The Cato Institute...it's going to be a roller-coaster night, party in Digbeth, Toxteth, Brixton and all over the land..I have to attend and observe..for posterity..
 
Man, you guys are pitiful tools ... Think what you want about Thatcher, but you don't celebrate a death of a person who isn't Hitler or something. But in your pathetic eyes, as Morrissey told you how to think about her, Thatcher probably was.

:thumb:

...and that's all I have to say about that.
 
Most politicians do the easy thing: I give money to people and broke industries and get cheered the same day. By the time the system explodes, I won't be prime minister, "it wasn't me", "I wasn't there"... MT did the opposite: she took the right and hard decisions, got bashed for it until today and did not get any credit for the 30 years of progress her hard measures granted. I hope she reincarnates and run for Prime Minister again.
 
What has the last twenty-five years taught us except it is a choice between knobheads? Our political classes of whichever stripe are a complete shower. That isn't just true here in the UK. The West's greatest failing over the last three decades or so has been its inability to come up with a statesman worthy of the term.

Scargill had the full support of the unions, Labour, Lord Bragg of the county of Dorsetshire, and even that great finker Pol Wellah. Scargill picked the wrong fight at the wrong time with someone intent on putting the unions back in their place. Surely no-one truly mourns the way the unions ran this country in the seventies? He is only thought of as an idiot now because he lost. If he had won he would be lauded as an hero of international socialism.

I was nearly killed in a house fire in 1974, when a candle set fire to the house. Why did we have candles in the house, our American friends might wonder? Because of the NUM - the National Union of Mineworkers - and the three day week, so you'll forgive me if I don't feel too warmly disposed towards them.

Scargill and Thatcher were co-dependent, two sides of the same conflict coin. As the truth emerges about her duckin and diving over Ireland she seems more silly and incompetent that I ever thought:

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/08/sinn-...her-shameful-and-a-miserable-failure-3587915/

I totally opposed the IRA bombing campaigns, as would any Brummie Paddy after events in Birmingham of 21 November 1974 when some crazies decided to try and spread sectarian war to our city. I remember the candles and 3 day weeks, but with a smile cuz it meant loads of sex as there was nothing else to do. The tragedy of Britain in the 70s was compounded by the election of a neoliberal nutcase who blew our North Sea oil revenues to pay the ex-industrial class benefits rather than rebuild their communities. over 30 years on the challenges remain but the oil money's gone. and yes, it's a worldwide neoliberal screw up but this is a pop culture site not gonzo hardcore economic porn.
 
I feel no love for 'em either, hence my point that just because one is shite doesn't necessarily make the other good. I thought Scargill was an idiot at the time and nothing has changed. With hindsight it appears both the left and the right were and are abysmal in British politics. Even potentially positive aspects of Thatcherism such as the right to buy had a double edged sword. If I was one of those that did well out of her or if I knew anybody that did well out of her then I may have a different opinion, I'm struggling to see the positives on reflection. The thing I would say for her is that she went a long way without having to show a bit of tit, something not many women have managed.

well-written. perceptive and funny end punchline. +1 silver star.
 
I don't need to be asked. I do what I want.

There you go...pretending to know things again. :rolleyes:

it's pretty obvious to all that your knowledge of british culture doesn't extend much beyond staring at Morrissey's arse on a cd cover all day. isn't there some other thread where you can 'do what you want' and at least your fellow mental patients will dignify you with a response? isn't there wiki stuff to press on with? we're busy, this is a big day, you won't crash this thread even if you post 1000 gifs. My metaphorical prison cell door remains open should you fancy another bout in The Pigsty...but not here. The topic is Thatcher's Death, not your lack of self-esteem, if you post further on this thread, try and be remotely on topic. for once.
 
I was nearly killed in a house fire in 1974, when a candle set fire to the house. Why did we have candles in the house, our American friends might wonder? Because of the NUM - the National Union of Mineworkers - and the three day week, so you'll forgive me if I don't feel too warmly disposed towards them.

It's hardly the fault of the NUM that you're not careful enough with candles!
 

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