Morrissey interview + Polaroid photo in German Spiegel magazine

"Ich bin für Klartext" - Spiegel Online

(Excerpt before paywall via Google Translate)

Morrissey's worldview "I'm for plain text"


"Morrissey praises the Brexit referendum, defends Kevin Spacey and calls Berlin a "rape capital" because of its open borders. seriously?"

Whether the Briton Steven Patrick Morrissey, 58, a musician just Morrissey calls, now Genius is or Schrat, self-actor or choleric poet, will probably never settle final. Certainly the man from Manchester, who became famous in the eighties as a singer of pop band The Smiths, is a great eccentric of pop. Whether concert or interview, he maintains the pose of the diva. The meeting took place on the occasion of his new album "Low in High School" in Los Angeles; It was arranged at very short notice and then postponed several times, domination gestures want to be maintained. After all, Morrissey is ready to talk. However, the photographer is referred by one of his managers rude of the room: "Get out of my hotel!" The Polaroid photo was taken by the interviewer.

An interview with Juliane Liebert

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SPIEGEL: Mr Morrissey, in your new song "Spent the Day in Bed", you recommend that you no longer see any news. A serious proposal?

Morrissey: Yes. People should stop doing so for their own sanity. You have to stop. The news is just social engineering, and it's about control, not information. There are no more messages. Only control.

SPIEGEL: That sounds like Trump's fake news, but you just spoke out against Trump at a concert.

Morrissey: Trump has received so much attention, especially when compared to other candidates - Bernie Sanders, for example. Although the media said he will not win, every day, all the headlines: Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump! The American media helped Trump, yes, they first created it. Whether they criticize him or laugh at him, he does not care, he just wants to see his picture and his name. The American media have shot themselves in the leg. Since he was in power, he has exhausted the world. He grabs after everything like a little child. He is not a leader. He is a vermin. A huge vermin.

SPIEGEL: Do you think that he will be re-elected?


Full transcript (Google Translate to English), original German text posted by Cornflakes


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What's this Morrissey isn't towing the party line nonsense? His point of view is a party line. It's a very distinct, and well-funded party line. Sure, it's not the party line of most intelligent, tactful people, but that's why they're considered intelligent and tactful people, while people like Morrissey are considered cliched cranks, usually of a certain age.

The whole point of providing your opinion is to get a reaction. Otherwise, there would be no reason to ever say it out loud. If you don't like the reaction, then don't give your opinion. People will always choose the company of those similar values, over those with differing ones. People choose to cooperate in their working lives with those they don't share core values with, but beyond that, don't expect an invitation to their Christmas party.

We are discussing things that affect real people. We are not discussing our favorite color, or our favorite flavor of ice cream. These thoughts have consequences that go beyond someone simply stating their opinion.

What some of you can't tolerate is that there are people who think that what you believe is ridiculous, and shallow. You're just going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is how free speech works.

You are not free from the consequences of your words in a social setting. It's never going to change, so get the thumb out of your mouth, and stop playing the victim. Morrissey's ideas aren't rebellious, substantial, or well-founded. They're common, ignorant musings that no one is stopping anyone from saying. You just want to be appreciated for it.

If you want to go on promoting tribalism, then don't act offended when someone wants to shun your tribe. You're establishing that same boundaries through your own opinions.

You have just repeated the ultimate party line - that to accept mass immigration is reasonable and liberal-minded and that everyone who doesn't is racist and illiberal.
 
I wish he would avoid talking if he's just going to upset everyone all the time. That Kevin Spacey part of the interview is very dodgy.
No it’s not. Anyone who is a parent would ask the question of what was their son doing staying with Spacey. They were either incredibly naive or so keen for their child to be a success (at whatever cost). Equally anyone who works in these industries knows how these things can pan out. That’s why minors are chaperoned. There are laws to protect them. Why are we surprised by any of this?
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German Huffpost:
Via Google translate:

"I want Germany to be German": music star Morrissey causes a stir in the "Spiegel" interview.

http://m.huffpost.com/de/entry/18586666

I think I won't read it until I get an 'iffy' Cornflakes translation! ;)
Regards,
FWD.
 
Maybe this interview was part of a cunning plan to get us all talking about everything except the actual album? Which let's face it - isn't his best material to say the least...
 
Consequence of Sound.
By Alex Young.

Morrissey had some dumb shit to say in defense of Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein.
"Some people are very awkward when it comes to romance."

Most people agree that the ongoing purge of predators is a painful but necessary step in tackling sexual misconduct in our society. However, in a new interview with Germany’s Spiegel Online, Morrissey came out in defense of Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein, worrying that they’re being caught up in a sort-of witch hunt. (Editor’s Note: Morrissey’s comments were translated from German to English)....

https://consequenceofsound.net/2017...nse-of-kevin-spacey-and-harvey-weinstein/amp/




UPROXX - by Jason Nawara.

Morrissey Appears To Victim Blame Those Allegedly Sexually Abused By Kevin Spacey And Harvey Weinstein.

"With each passing day of the #MeToo movement, victims of sexual abuse are outing those who have taken advantage of them. Finding strength in solidarity and through the bravery of many who chose to come forward, little by little, the stigma of being shamed orafraid to speak up for one’s own well-being is being erased, and those who use power to intimidate and take advantage of people are thankfully on their heels. Stars across Hollywood and people abused across the country are coming forward with a purpose, and with a society that’s slightly more informed, engaged and sympathetic to the issue at hand."l
Former The Smiths frontman and English rainy day crooner Morrissey seems to consider most of the allegations to be without merit, however."

http://uproxx.com/music/morrissey-kevin-spacey-harvey-weinstein/amp/

FWD.
 
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Consequence of Sound.
By Alex Young.

Morrissey had some dumb shit to say in defense of Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein.
"Some people are very awkward when it comes to romance."

Most people agree that the ongoing purge of predators is a painful but necessary step in tackling sexual misconduct in our society. However, in a new interview with Germany’s Spiegel Online, Morrissey came out in defense of Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein, worrying that they’re being caught up in a sort-of witch hunt. (Editor’s Note: Morrissey’s comments were translated from German to English)....

https://consequenceofsound.net/2017...nse-of-kevin-spacey-and-harvey-weinstein/amp/

Last two lines say it all.
 
Last two lines say it all.
P. would you be kind enough to move my The Independent article (Morrissey comments on Hollywood sexual abuse scandal...).
in to this one?
Appreciated,
FWD.
 
A translation of key parts not via Google:
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Regards,
FWD.
Oh, and amusing Twitter comment of the day:
"Every time Morrissey opens his mouth another Smith's song dies" :)
 
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That is not an interview with Rapp. That is an anonymous interview with someone who has come forward since Rapp made his statement...and honestly, I don't believe someone who was a victim of an attempted rape would recount the experience with phrases like "And he pushes hard, and grabs me, and starts shoving up against my asshole, and it hurts like a motherf***er."

Honestly, it comes off more like some Destiel rape fantasy fanfic.

Parents are barely parents these days...it is just generation after generation of undisciplined, self-centered children shatting out a worse version of themselves.

And people died in their 30s. And cousins married cousins. And 14 year-olds were being married. People seem to forget where they come from...by today's standards, we were all birthed somewhere down the line by the union of a pedophile and a victim of sexual assault.


The guts to come out of the closet? Lol. What business is it to anyone? Why would he have to? So some idiots can project on him? So some sad little twink can feel good about himself? Get a life.

Yes, I would say he didn't rape him...just as the law sees a difference. Which is why statutory rape laws exist.

He hasn't.

Inappropriate? Yes...but is it illegal?

Current New York state law:

Non-intercourse sexual activity, called "sexual contact" is defined as "any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person not married to the actor for the purpose of gratifying sexual desire of either party. It includes the touching of the actor by the victim, as well as the touching of the victim by the actor, whether directly or through clothing." (NY Penal Law § 130.00[3].)
  • "Sexual contact" with a person less than 17 but at least 14, by a perpetrator who is at least five years older than the victim is "Sexual abuse in the third degree," a class B misdemeanor. (NY Penal Law § 130.55.)
As Spacey did not touch Rapp's "intimate parts", what exact crime did he commit? Even if he had touched his genitals, it would only be considered a misdemeanor.


I feel if you gave your pussy up for a career advancement, you don't have the right to complain about it later.

Rapp opened the flood-gates. His testimony created a 'safe space' for others to come forward and denounce Spacey. Some of those allegations are far more serious. I'm not sure why somebody's vernacular speech renders their account suspicious given they are now many years older and quite possibly more sexually experienced than when the assault took place.

Humans used to leave old people, deformed babies & the disabled exposed to the cold to get rid of their 'burden'. Slavery. Cannibalism. Why you imagine previous eras of sexual violence legitimise and/or excuse contemporary sexual misconduct is baffling.

Morrissey can stay in the closet if indeed he is closeted. That's not the issue. The issue is he has built an entire career on cultural appropriation from the Queer community. It's hardly irrelevant to ponder if he's using those tropes to examine his own sexual dilemmas or merely another clever heterosexual purloining them to appear 'shocking' or 'cutting-edge' as part of his 'I wanna be famous!' tool-kit. His new album is awash with statements about Catholic sexual guilt, even at 58! (Israel). The clumsy references to oral sex also invite the obvious question of whose legs he wants around his neck & whether the shaven ravine he's on about is rimming some guy's ass or performing cunnilingus. His hysterical reaction to Kristeen Young suggesting he's not exactly str8 can hardly be ignored in any serious discussion on his endless obsession with queer culture given he is unable to explain his sexual desires without resort to oafish euphemisms like 'humasexual'. However, he's never said anything openly homophobic so compared to Wes Goodman and Judge Roy Moore he's entirely harmless in this respect, thus nobody's outed him.

Whether felony or misdemeanour charges are brought in the US or criminal charges in the UK, Spacey has been exposed as a threat to young actors. He has the option to sue all his accusers for defamation. Given there's now a bus full of them, he'd be wise to just fess up and accept his own behaviour has wrecked his career and destroyed his legacy.

With regard to 'giving up your pussy': there's a real story here. It concerns those famous actresses who kept quiet until unknowns spoke up but then jumped on the media bandwagon to try and cover their silence but they don't fess up and say "when I was young I was a victim of a predatory Hollywood 'casting couch' culture and my silence to date means I've been an enabler of that culture until I spoke out in 2017'. There's also the issue of Clinton and Polanski's rehabilitation. All of this is valid to discuss. The problem with Morrissey is he isn't interested in a nuanced discussion. He's only interested in trolling the debate in a desperate attempt to launch his new album. Morrissey poses as an 'intellectual' but his thinking is often chaotic and disorganised. This Der Spiegel interview is a classic example of him ranging superficially over complex issues, thereby making a fool of himself.

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A translation of key parts not via Google:
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Regards,
FWD.
Oh, and amusing Twitter comment of the day:
"Every time Morrissey opens his mouth another Smith's song dies" :)


What nonsense. There is nothing in this interview or any other interview that you won't find in the lyrics of the Smiths. A nostalgia for a 1960s England and 'English' culture that is lost. A sympathy for sexual deviance. A dislike of received opinion and bourgeois morality.
 
Rapp opened the flood-gates. His testimony created a 'safe space' for others to come forward and denounce Spacey. Some of those allegations are far more serious. I'm not sure why somebody's vernacular speech renders their account suspicious given they are now many years older and quite possibly more sexually experienced than when the assault took place.

Humans used to leave old people, deformed babies & the disabled exposed to the cold to get rid of their 'burden'. Slavery. Cannibalism. Why you imagine previous eras of sexual violence legitimise and/or excuse contemporary sexual misconduct is baffling.

Morrissey can stay in the closet if indeed he is closeted. That's not the issue. The issue is he has built an entire career on cultural appropriation from the Queer community. It's hardly irrelevant to ponder if he's using those tropes to examine his own sexual dilemmas or merely another clever heterosexual purloining them for to appear 'shocking' or 'cutting-edge' as part of his 'I wanna be famous!' tool-kit. His new album is awash with statments about Catholic sexual guilt, even at 58! (Israel). The clumsy references to oral sex also invite the obvious question of whose legs he wants around his neck & whether the shaven ravine he's on about is rimming some guy's ass or performing cunnilingus. His hysterical reaction to Kristeen Young suggesting he's not exactly str8 can hardly be ignored in any serious discussion on his endless obsession with queer culture given he is unable to explain his sexual desires without resort to oafish euphemisms like 'humasexual'. However, he's never said anything openly homophobic so compared to Wes Goodman and Judge Roy Moore he's entirely harmless in this respect, thus nobody's outed him.

Whether felony or misdemeanour charges are brought in the US or criminal charges in the UK, Spacey has been exposed as a threat to young actors. He has the option to sue all his accusers for defamation. Given there's now a bus full of them, he'd be wise to just fess up and accept his own behaviour has wrecked his career and destroyed his legacy.

With regard to 'giving up your pussy': there's a real story here. It concerns those famous actresses who kept quiet until unknowns spoke up but then jumped on the media bandwagon to try and cover their silence but they don't fess up and say "when I was young I was a victim of a predatory Hollywood 'casting couch' culture and my silence to date means I've been an enabler of that culture until I spoke out in 2017'. There's also the issue of Clinton and Polanski's rehabilitation. All of this is valid to discuss. The problem with Morrissey is he isn't interested in a nuanced discussion. He's only interested in trolling the debate in a desperate attempt to launch his new album. Morrissey poses as an 'intellectual' but his thinking is often chaotic and disorganised. This Der Spiegel interview is a classic example of him ranging superficially over complex issues, thereby making a fool of himself.

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How not to be with him?
Once again all with You Mr Morrissey :thumb:

"Le véritable exil n'est pas d'être arraché de son pays ; c'est d'y vivre et de n'y plus rien trouver de ce qui le faisait aimer."
E.Quinet
 
following this thread over the weekend i many times thought, how i´d like to sit eye to eye with you now and keep on talking about it in a pub ..
cause i really felt this was something fruitful and an (almost) unaggressive but still controversial discussion..
giving listening to lihs a break since friday night, reading the messages was well-invested time..
for the subjects of this discussion-amongst exploitation of this planets animals and nature as well as social unequality- are the relevant ones concerning peaceful coexistence in the future..
thank you
 
SPIEGEL: Since we're here in Hollywood, have you followed the debates on Harvey S`qs`q, Kevin Spacey, and #MeToo?

Morrissey: Up to a point, yes BUT then it became a play. All at once ALL owe. Anyone who has ever said to someone else, "I like you," is suddenly being charged with sexual harassment. You have to put these things into the right relations. If I can not tell anyone that I like him, how would he ever know? Of course, there are extreme cases, rape is disgusting, any physical attack is repugnant. But we have to SEE it in proportion. Otherwise, every person on this planet is guilty. We can not decide permanently from above, WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT. Because then we are ALL in the trap. Some people are already awkward when it comes to romance. They do not know what to do and then their behavior is aggressive.

- I see what he is trying to convey here, and I agree wholeheartedly.

SPIEGEL: What do you think of Spacey, one of the main characters in a movie, replacing her with the launch date?

Morrissey: I think that's ridiculous. As far as I know, he was in a bedroom with a 14-year-old. Kevin Spacey was 26, boy 14. One wonders where the boy's parents were. One wonders if the boy did not know what would happen. I do not know about you but in my youth I have never been in situations like this. Never. I was always aware of what could happen. When you are in somebody's bedroom, you have to be aware of where that can lead to. That's why it does not sound very credible to me. It seems to me that Spacey has been unnecessarily attacked.

- A stupid comment and one which I am sure he must regret. So many considerations here, including something Morrissey should be aware - Spacey is a celebrity. No 14 yr old I know would turn down an oportunity to mingle with one, but that does not mean he consented to anything. He did not.

SPIEGEL: Is this also supposed to apply to the actresses who went to the hotel room with S'qs`q?

Morrissey: People know exactly what's going on. And they play along. Afterwards, they feel embarrassed or disliked. And then they turn it around and say: I was attacked, I was surprised, I was shattered into THE room. But if everything went well, and if it had given them a great career, they would not talk about it. I hate rape. I hate attacks. I hate sexual situations that are forced on someone. But in many cases one looks at the circumstances and thinks that the person who is considered a victim is merely disappointed. Throughout the history of music and rock 'n' roll there have been musicians who slept with their groupies. If you go through history, almost everyone is guilty of sleeping with minors. Why not throw everyone in jail at the same time?

- He's bordering into the precipece of creepiness from which he may never recover from.

SPIEGEL: David Bowie has deflowered a 15-year-old, according to the person concerned.

Morrissey: That was absolutely normal back then ...

- A sick response. I am surprised there is not more outrage toward this in particular.


Morrissey: Okay, let's talk about multiculturalism. I want THAT Germany is German. I want France to be French. If you try to make everything multicultural, you will not have any culture at the end of your meal. ALL European countries have fought for their identity for many, many years. And now they just throw it away. I think that's sad.

-What is wrong with this statement? To me, nothing. There is nothing inherently racist about preserving national identity, regional heritages, and cultural values. What makes a particular person, place, or thing different to me is what makes it beautiful. To lose these differences forever... so much lost. Immigration, ok. Necessary. Opening the floodgates? Catastrophic.
 
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Yes, the funny thing to me is seeing Morrissey trying so hard to be controversial these days when to me it seems like he'd be a better artist AND court more controversy if he had just sticked to his englishness that made The Smiths and the first run of solo albums so great. Imo -soundwise and lyricwise- he shouldve just always kept close to that. Now he seems like this international crooner over a bland world music rock from allover the place. In fact he has become the very thing he seems to bemoan, a global generic soup product. And then he tries to spice it up with some secondhand third rate alex jonesy soundbites! Imagine instead Morrissey with an english band making english music about english people of today. Now that would have been controversial!

This is spot on!
though i would expand english people to all people who are touched by his music, may they be english, american, japanese or nigerian..
Morrisseys strengths has always been his ability to express what it feels like being lost in ones mindgames and emotions, feeling vulnerable and misunderstood, all decorated with charming wit (which might be typical english : ) )
plus, he was able to outline some accurate social topics..
i dont buy his lyrics about arab spring.. leave it to someone who experienced it or is able to understand the complex situation and transform it into shiny lyrics..
weeping oil is a great metaphor but there are more troubling facts to the story.. not to deny his concerns though..
Germany to the Germans is not possible and not wanted for many good reasons though i get what he means.. what is possible and wanted is an authentic artist using his unique talents to create very good music..
with authenticity one can be political and provocative on a small scale ..no need to make use of global politics..
 
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