Oh dear. Oh very deary me.
The Griffin monster obviously finds Moz's other pronouncments acceptable.
This is not good news for the Moz fandom.
Oh dear. Oh very deary me.
I love it when meat-eaters whine about 'militant' vegetarians 'telling them how to live', completely ignorant of how the dominant, accepted culture of eating animals means that vegetarians get the same damn thing every day, whether through advertising, restaurant menus full of nothing but flesh, and direct mockery and taunting from meat eaters ('go on, don't you want a bacon sandwich?!' etc etc etc)..
The way you strain to invalidate any opinion that discomfits you is ridiculous. (My favorite example: itsverycold once played a prank on someone, THEREFORE his criticisms of you are invalid.) Plenty of people thought Hitchens was a buffoon, and still do.
Charlie Rose is a zombie who hasn't a clue who half of his guests are. And you only trust "neutral journalistic platforms"? Then you can't trust anything Hitchens ever published, the bulk of it having appeared in The Nation. Why can't you see these arguments coming? One learns nothing from arguing with you except, perhaps, patience.
I don't know which video you've embedded, but I saw the original interviews of Hitchens defending Irving when they aired. It was already known who Irving was and what he stood for: Holocaust denial. Hitchens was trying very hard to be a pop culture Chomsky at the time, and he wanted to manufacture his own version of "the Faurisson affair," about which you'll know nothing, but Google your little heart out and skip back here to summarize for us. (It'll blow Peter B's mind.) Hitchens additionally wanted to tweak Israel's defenders.
You're a follower. Much like the man you're following.
I love it when meat-eaters whine about 'militant' vegetarians 'telling them how to live', completely ignorant of how the dominant, accepted culture of eating animals means that vegetarians get the same damn thing every day, whether through advertising, restaurant menus full of nothing but flesh, and direct mockery and taunting from meat eaters ('go on, don't you want a bacon sandwich?!' etc etc etc).
It's the dominant culture of meat-eating that's comparable to fascism, not vegetarians.
It's hypocritical in her case, too. Read her screeds against the religious, and how she'll never stop fighting them, bla bla bla?
And what was the point of that "vegan challenge," after all? Just attention?
Nobody compares vegetarians to Nazis because of Hitler's dietary habits. They do it because some militant vegetarians behave like fascists--telling everyone how to live and think.
No. People are not that rational. They may see the facts, but they do not react. ("[This information] holds no weight with me. Or most meat eaters. I feel no shame for eating meat. Most, do not.") What may actually change everything is in vitro meat. When people can admit their responsibility without actually giving up anything, they will do it. Most people already are against animal abuse in theory, but this will affect their behaviour in practice.
All people are never going to suddenly go vegan. Even if they did, it would take centuries, and we don't have that much time to act. Realistically speaking, in vitro meat is the only thing that can save the animals, us and the planet.
It's still suffering, even by your limited definition (which, by your argument, means that if someone has no family or friends who will miss them when they die, it's morally OK to kill them) . You can't take the moral high-ground by being all 'sad-face' at the Holocaust whilst happily causing the misery and deaths of millions of living beings by eating meat. You are not on the moral high ground, you are in a f***ing ditch. You, personally, by being a slave to your taste buds and thinking you are superior to all other life forms, are contributing needless death and suffering to the world.
And you have the nerve to get upset when Morrissey dares to call you out by comparing animal and human suffering? Really? Are you that far up your own ass?
Ahem.
i love it when meat-eaters whine about 'militant' vegetarians 'telling them how to live', completely ignorant of how the dominant, accepted culture of eating animals means that vegetarians get the same damn thing every day, whether through advertising, restaurant menus full of nothing but flesh, and direct mockery and taunting from meat eaters ('go on, don't you want a bacon sandwich?!' etc etc etc).
It's the dominant culture of meat-eating that's comparable to fascism, not vegetarians.
Why all the anonymous posts? Am I having multiple discussions with just one person? It feels like it.
Most people don't experience much existential angst. I do and you do, because we are the intelligent, angry type. Most people I know are not.
I disagree. The reason why my dog gets so easily distressed and scared is that she doesn't see situations rationally. She's completely emotional. She doesn't know how to rationalize her way out of the fear and pain. She's easily traumatized by silly things.
It doesn't need to be, because pigs in the meat industry don't associate with the earlier generations. Those generations are dead after living lives of constant horror. And then the new generations live lives of constant horror. They've got enough suffering even without the burden of their parents.
I don't know about pigs, but I recently read about a study that revealed that in elephant populations, the traumas of older generations affect the younger generations. It's quite interesting: in some way or another, they communicate the pain to their young. A traumatic life creates traumatized animals. A traumatized animal is necessarily not a stable parent.
Yes you do. If you didn't, there wouldn't be any reason to feel offended. You think that animals aren't very important, and when Morrissey says that they are as important as humans, you think that he's belittling humans.
Otherwise the outrage would be pointless. If you believe that Izzie is a worthless moron and somebody disagrees with you, there's no point to feel offended. That's their opinion. Let them like Izzie. As if moral value was something limited that you have to guard against those that you think don't deserve it.
"Hitler was a vegetarian -> vegetarianism is wrong and vegetarians are Nazis" is one of the most common arguments against vegetarianism. Unfortunately. Believe me, I know.
To assume that the suffering inflicted by the Holocaust was greater than the suffering inflicted by the meat industry, you'd have to assume that the suffering of a human animal is hundreds of thousands of times more intense than the suffering of a non-human animal. And that would be ridiculous from a biological point of view.
This is just crazy. (Btw, I don't really care about deaths. I care about suffering. Of course the death of a human animal will normally cause more suffering than the death of a non-human animal.)
Probably...that's the trouble with anonymous posts. Could be 1. Could be many! Damn the system
Probably...that's the trouble with anonymous posts. Could be 1. Could be many! Damn the system
FWD, isn't it hilarious to see Griffin cooking stews and cheap meals? In comparison it's like Darth Vader taking his pet dog for a walk
Looks like stews is all he'll be cooking now since it's been rumoured he's bankrupt.
I truly couldn't believe what I was seeing.
According to the media, he will be releasing a guide to money problems also (hopefully not including advice like: invade Poland!).
I'm not as analytical about things as highlighted in this thread, but I watched his appearance on Question Time and it turned my stomach.
I wouldn't put it past him to orchestrate comments re:Moz for shaping his finely crafted public profile.
But cooking with Nick is possibly the most insane moment I've seen this year so far.
There are too many humour opportunities emanating from this, but out of respect for the more serious discussions - will be resisted.
Regards,
FWD
Morrissey could perhaps borrow his p.r. team if Nick can't afford them. This guy would smell of roses in a dung heap.A guide to money problems? He's bloody bankrupt! The irony!
You privilege human cognition above all other forms of consciousness, relegating animal consciousness and emotional capacity for suffering to irrelvance. You are overtly humancentric, steeped in the Biblical Carnism Food Economics Ideologies of Abrahamic Religion and do not even realise it!
You are guilty of humancentric trans-species 'racism'. I do not regard myself as part of a privileged species as laid down by the Books of Abrahamic Religion, you clearly do. I am part of a continuum of consciousness and regard animals as part of my family and, yes, I would fight to protect and save family members from predators, whether paedophiles or cannibals. I regard you and all Carnists as Cannibals. Carnism Is Cannibalism.
http://voices.yahoo.com/pigs-emotionally-sensitive-conscious-creatures-8084712.html
It's hypocritical in her case, too. Read her screeds against the religious, and how she'll never stop fighting them, bla bla bla?
And what was the point of that "vegan challenge," after all? Just attention?