4 now, whole fam is on this siteJesse's mother
its true, im biased against him primarily because of how horrible he is as a guitarist liveJesse Tobias :
Sorry Doesn't Help
I'm Ok By Myself
All You Need Is Me
In The Future When All's Well
Forgive Someone
I'm Not A Man
When You Open Your Legs
Juste for that, respect !
Jesse Tobias :
Sorry Doesn't Help
I'm Ok By Myself
All You Need Is Me
In The Future When All's Well
Forgive Someone
I'm Not A Man
When You Open Your Legs
Juste for that, respect !
Poor Mark E Nevin, I think the music to Kill Uncle is great, but little can survive the damage done by that production.
Nevin has also said that he never meant the songs on Kill Uncle to be finished compositions. When he sent the music to Morrissey, he though Moz would send them back with some ideas for lyrics, so he could work more on them, send them back to M. and so on. Likea proper collaboration. So he was shocked that Moz just put his vocals on them and then released them. Then he wrote a whole album's worth of music for Your Arsenal, only to hear on the finished album that only two of them had ended up there and that his efforts were no longer needed. So we never really heard what proper Morrissey/Nevin collaborations would have been, had Mark learnt the right way to work with The Man.
Boz is not doing very well, for the longest-serving band member.
A few of my favourites are Boz co-writes - Now My Heart is Full, Come Back to Camden, The More You Ignore Me, Jack the Ripper, etc - but unfortunately few and far between.
Alain wrote nearly 70 songs for Morrissey.
15 or so really were great but the other 50 ranged from passable to absolutely dismal.
Nowhere near the quality of the Stephen Street compositions.
In the biggest poll ever of all 300 songs that Morrissey sang, there wasn't a single Alain Whyte composition in the top 20. Says it all really. He just didn't quite have that magical songwriting ability. Good to great at his very best but never exceptional.
I like kids a looker,then again im easily pleased.According to this Alain has written 74 released songs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Whyte
Also that poll was about as accurate as a broken Swiss watch. Yes there was 1000s of votes cast but not for each song and people lost interest when newer songs became available so there was not many votes cast for these songs and People are the Same Everywhere and The Kid's a Looker were in last place which was rather silly. There's no way they are the 2 worst songs.
According to this Alain has written 74 released songs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Whyte
Also that poll was about as accurate as a broken Swiss watch. Yes there was 1000s of votes cast but not for each song and people lost interest when newer songs became available so there was not many votes cast for these songs and People are the Same Everywhere and The Kid's a Looker were in last place which was rather silly. There's no way they are the 2 worst songs.
Over the years there have been various polls for Morrissey/Smiths songs in different publications. Most are typically filled in by 10 to 15 journalists at any given publication.
The poll on this site was on a completely different scale - over 10,000 votes were cast, and every single song was included. It is easily the most comprehensive poll ever carried out into the Morrissey/Smiths back catalogue. And, yes Kid's a Looker and People are the Same were rightly voted his worst songs ever (and would still be voted likewise). If you're a big fan of these songs, you must be an absolute f***ing idiot.
Nevin has also said that he never meant the songs on Kill Uncle to be finished compositions. When he sent the music to Morrissey, he though Moz would send them back with some ideas for lyrics, so he could work more on them, send them back to M. and so on. Likea proper collaboration. So he was shocked that Moz just put his vocals on them and then released them. Then he wrote a whole album's worth of music for Your Arsenal, only to hear on the finished album that only two of them had ended up there and that his efforts were no longer needed. So we never really heard what proper Morrissey/Nevin collaborations would have been, had Mark learnt the right way to work with The Man.
That’s odd, I mean, didn’t Nevin play on Kill Uncle? Guess he didn’t mind that his songs were not finished and agreed to go into the studio and record them that way. He also must of noticed with all the overdubs and time spent in a proper studio that what he was recording was more than just demos.
And then to agree to give him more ‘unfinished’
songs for the next album, knowing from previous experience that Morrissey won’t ‘properly’ collaborate with him, and his songs again will be released unfinished.
What do you make of that?
From Mozipedia, under "Nevin, Mark": Nevin regrets that Morrissey's unorthodox working methods -- keeping words and music separate, with no eye-to-eye collaboration -- prevented him from developing his tunes beyond their original rough sketches. "I'd given him a demo thinking it was a base on which to build upwards but we never did. He just used the bones of what I gave him. There was no discussion about how we might improve the music. It took me a while to get my head around that."
So obviously my memory simplified things, but the main point was true. Nevin was probably in awe of Morrissey, who has never been a great communicator, so that's why Nevin never pressed the point.