Reggie Kray do you know my name?

King Leer

Leering since '97
Some main board trolls keep bringing up the rumors about Cliff Richard. I had heard them over the years, but never went out of my way to read anything in depth until today. All the lascivious stuff aside, what caught my interest was the relationship between Richard and the Krays, specifically Reggie. A picture popped up in my Googling of a somewhat older Reggie with a young boy he gave stay-out-of-trouble advice to (cue trolls). Moz' Years of Refusal look really is a fusion of Charles Richardson (with baby) and Kray at this time of his life.

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As an aside, there's that funny story about Morrissey's other "opener," Tom Jones, unwittingly snatching Reggie Kray's sizzling steak right off the plate because he was so hungry when he was starting out.
 
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Anonymous

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What CG posted on the Kristeen Young thread is much more valid than any other regular public non-anonymous poster states here.

Seriously.

I have come away from reading about pedophiles in the early 1980s, following a newspaper comment that pointed out the link between Wilhelm Reich and the pedophiles, homosexuals and "the sexual revolution". Gross. Wilhelm Reich? Yes, exactly, that one, the one whom Tim Booth from James says is one of his favourite authors. I once took a few of his books out of the library and they were returned as unfinished as most of the Pier Pasolini films, because they were similarly gross. How anybody can claim that either were great thinkers or authors can only be imagined if you assume that the person doing so has a similarly sick mind. For that let me also refer you to he clip that promotes Kristeen Young's upcoming album. She is a case for a mental institution. Interestingly only a few dared to speak up against homosexual pedophiles in the early 80s and that done also very carefully, one of them a woman who was denounced as being a "women's libber" what the English word I guess would be. Given the times that The Smiths made their public appearance all the talk about how brave and innovate Morrissey was seems like one huge lie, because I also remember these times as anything but repressed. But it sells well to the younger ones. The younger ones who are so confused that they even suck a jobcenter employee's cock when he bullies them instead of scream for help and kick his penis in. The case was decided on last week and I finally found out about the sentence last night. How convenient, the guy was discharged. I know the guy, I tried to get him out of his job without much effect, one of the things that dragged me down in 2009, the fight against that guy while at the same time being faced with pretty much the same people surrounding Morrissey and his bullshit fans. You should change your avatar, because it portrays your stupid arrogance far too well. You are an arsehole of the highest order. Just like the rest of Morrissey's favourite fans. I hope the woman doesn't commit suicide now, I did my best for nothing like this going to happen, but the arseholes are incredibly effective in getting their ways. And Morrissey fans of all people are the very last people to open their mouth about any of this, because they are amongst the worst abusers there are.
 

Oh my god. it's Robby!

spontaneously luminescent
so, umm, are you implying that Reggie was a pedo?
sorry, I don't know much about him :confused:
I'm American, sorry if its a stupid question :o
most of my knowledge about "The Krays" comes from:
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what he's said/sung

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a bizarre, drunken convo with who others tell me was the above gentleman
&
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this film :p
 

King Leer

Leering since '97
Erm… Should I send the below through Google translate (English->English)? Or is there someone else here who can paraphrase?

I started the thread simply because of Morrissey's interest in the Krays, and the links between Richard/Jones and the brothers, which I hadn't known about. And Morrissey's dress sense. That is all.

What CG posted on the Kristeen Young thread is much more valid than any other regular public non-anonymous poster states here.

Seriously.

I have come away from reading about pedophiles in the early 1980s, following a newspaper comment that pointed out the link between Wilhelm Reich and the pedophiles, homosexuals and "the sexual revolution". Gross. Wilhelm Reich? Yes, exactly, that one, the one whom Tim Booth from James says is one of his favourite authors. I once took a few of his books out of the library and they were returned as unfinished as most of the Pier Pasolini films, because they were similarly gross. How anybody can claim that either were great thinkers or authors can only be imagined if you assume that the person doing so has a similarly sick mind. For that let me also refer you to he clip that promotes Kristeen Young's upcoming album. She is a case for a mental institution. Interestingly only a few dared to speak up against homosexual pedophiles in the early 80s and that done also very carefully, one of them a woman who was denounced as being a "women's libber" what the English word I guess would be. Given the times that The Smiths made their public appearance all the talk about how brave and innovate Morrissey was seems like one huge lie, because I also remember these times as anything but repressed. But it sells well to the younger ones. The younger ones who are so confused that they even suck a jobcenter employee's cock when he bullies them instead of scream for help and kick his penis in. The case was decided on last week and I finally found out about the sentence last night. How convenient, the guy was discharged. I know the guy, I tried to get him out of his job without much effect, one of the things that dragged me down in 2009, the fight against that guy while at the same time being faced with pretty much the same people surrounding Morrissey and his bullshit fans. You should change your avatar, because it portrays your stupid arrogance far too well. You are an arsehole of the highest order. Just like the rest of Morrissey's favourite fans. I hope the woman doesn't commit suicide now, I did my best for nothing like this going to happen, but the arseholes are incredibly effective in getting their ways. And Morrissey fans of all people are the very last people to open their mouth about any of this, because they are amongst the worst abusers there are.
 

Charlie Cheswick

Well-Known Member
Erm… Should I send the below through Google translate (English->English)? Or is there someone else here who can paraphrase?

I started the thread simply because of Morrissey's interest in the Krays, and the links between Richard/Jones and the brothers, which I hadn't known about. And Morrissey's dress sense. That is all.

I think they're inferring that all Morrissey fans are nonces or something and Kristeen Young is at the root of it all. An evil Overlady of sorts!
 

Chip

Member
Is there anything serious to any of the Cliff Richards theories? I keep seeing them, but everyone seems to ignore them and when I google them--I don't turn up info on any reputable sites.
 

Noah

New Member
Is there anything serious to any of the Cliff Richards theories? I keep seeing them, but everyone seems to ignore them and when I google them--I don't turn up info on any reputable sites.

YES.You're not "looking" in the right places so to speak.
 

the_kaz

Active Member
so, umm, are you implying that Reggie was a pedo?
sorry, I don't know much about him :confused:
I'm American, sorry if its a stupid question :o
most of my knowledge about "The Krays" comes from... a bizarre, drunken convo with who others tell me was the above gentleman

Wow, you had "a bizarre, drunken convo" with Alan Moore?!? That must have been intense! Did you ask him if he's a Morrissey fan, by any chance? ;-)
 

Oh my god. it's Robby!

spontaneously luminescent
Wow, you had "a bizarre, drunken convo" with Alan Moore?!? That must have been intense! Did you ask him if he's a Morrissey fan, by any chance? ;-)
no, he did most of the takking, but I think he talked to me about the Krays because I was wearing
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this shirt*



*=not my actual shirt, mine was old, rattier looking and at least a size bigger
 

King Leer

Leering since '97
Just to be clear, I wasn't being snarky to Charlie Cheswick (I really did need someone to paraphrase that mess).
In life my mouth can be horrible -- like Ray Winstone in Nil By Mouth or something.
I can be extremely caustic in my writing, too. I'd love to silence some of these trolls.
HOWEVER. When I'm on Moz-solo I'm enjoying it as a hobby related to my larger admiration of Morrissey. A few minutes here and there, every week since '97!

not use to reading you being a bit snarky King Leer, its good :thumb:
 
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Anonymous

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I once took a few of his books out of the library and they were returned as unfinished as most of the Pier Pasolini films, because they were similarly gross. How anybody can claim that either were great thinkers or authors can only be imagined if you assume that the person doing so has a similarly sick mind.

Well the difference between Cliff Richard and Pasolini is quite big, in that Pasolini was an artist. Maybe he was sick, but he turned that into something that to me is important. He was a controversial personality in Italy. He was a poet, a journalist, a provocateur full of contradictions.
Who, on the other hand, is Cliff Richard? Morrissey only says in his defence that he has style. Well, so has... Harry Styles. rofl.

I don't think Morrissey fans are "the worst abusers there are." But yes, they are consumers, who don't often question Morrissey's choices. That's a shame.

As for Morrissey, if his aim was to provoke, well...It just looks silly. Doesn't it? He won't go down in History as an intellectual because he endorses Cliff Richard, I don't think. It's the same with his fascination for the Krays. It's just childish. In a bad, paedo way.
Why didn't his mum warn him about men like that, instead of focusing on kittens and heifers? Mmm?
 
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Anonymous

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What Cliff Richards is alleged to have been involved in is very different than what Pasolini was alleged to have been involved in. That would be a difference that would matter, but the level of the art they created would not. Most of what I'm finding about Cliff Richards is, of course, circumstantial, because the police have covered up the truth. Jimmy Savile was not an isolated case.

People in the UK should be demand that everyone involved be brought to justice.

Morrissey must really be bored and stupid to get involved in anything to do with Cliff Richards. I think lots of pop stars know all about the pedophile rings, though, and maybe to him it's just business as usual.
 

Chip

Member
What Cliff Richards is alleged to have been involved in is very different than what Pasolini was alleged to have been involved in. That would be a difference that would matter, but the level of the art they created would not. Most of what I'm finding about Cliff Richards is, of course, circumstantial, because the police have covered up the truth. Jimmy Savile was not an isolated case.

People in the UK should be demand that everyone involved be brought to justice.

Morrissey must really be bored and stupid to get involved in anything to do with Cliff Richards. I think lots of pop stars know all about the pedophile rings, though, and maybe to him it's just business as usual.

Pasolini, from my understanding, had relationships with teenage boys--but they were all above the age of consent in Italy. So whether or not they were immoral acts there was no crime. Pasolini's actions are also fairly well documented, whereas when I try to find up information on Richards I only get websites on Satanic cults--so once again no evidence of this at all.

I also question whoever found Pasolini's films to be gross--did they watch any films other than Salo? There was a traveling retrospective of his films (as somebody also mentioned he was also a poet--in fact he was well-known poet before he began making films) that came to the National Gallery of Art/AFI. While I did not get to see nearly as many of his films as I wanted I did see both Pigsty and his version of Oedipus Rex. I've also seen Teorema. None of them are really gross--at least not in the way Salo is.
 
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Anonymous

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Pasolini, from my understanding, had relationships with teenage boys--but they were all above the age of consent in Italy. So whether or not they were immoral acts there was no crime. Pasolini's actions are also fairly well documented, whereas when I try to find up information on Richards I only get websites on Satanic cults--so once again no evidence of this at all.

I also question whoever found Pasolini's films to be gross--did they watch any films other than Salo? There was a traveling retrospective of his films (as somebody also mentioned he was also a poet--in fact he was well-known poet before he began making films) that came to the National Gallery of Art/AFI. While I did not get to see nearly as many of his films as I wanted I did see both Pigsty and his version of Oedipus Rex. I've also seen Teorema. None of them are really gross--at least not in the way Salo is.

Where would you have found information on Jimmy Savile before it became mainstream news? Do you think he was part of a cult? It would seem absurd until you read the verified information about him that has come out.

Here is a link to The Mirror which may not be your favorite paper but is not a blog about satanic conspiracy.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-seize-vip-list-in-dawn-1546351

It is known that boys were taken to this guest house, drugged, raped, molested, beaten, abused, and maybe even murdered. While there is no known evidence that Cliff Richard took part in these activities he was a frequent visitor to the Elm Guest House, where these things took place. This really happened. He really was there.

My point was not about the crimes of the two men really, although they are vastly different. Hiring a teenage hustler is much different than raping a drugged child at a theme costume party, which is what happened at Elm Guest House regularly. My point was that no one's art makes them above reproach. Should the person's personal life be left out of enjoyment of their art? That's fine if you wish.

I see this as Morrissey basically poking a flaming bag of shit with a stick to see what happens. Morrissey IRL trolling at it's finest and he can keep doing it as long as his career is still leaving skidmarks in our cultural underpants I guess.
 

Chip

Member
Where would you have found information on Jimmy Savile before it became mainstream news? Do you think he was part of a cult? It would seem absurd until you read the verified information about him that has come out.

Here is a link to The Mirror which may not be your favorite paper but is not a blog about satanic conspiracy.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-seize-vip-list-in-dawn-1546351

It is known that boys were taken to this guest house, drugged, raped, molested, beaten, abused, and maybe even murdered. While there is no known evidence that Cliff Richard took part in these activities he was a frequent visitor to the Elm Guest House, where these things took place. This really happened. He really was there.

My point was not about the crimes of the two men really, although they are vastly different. Hiring a teenage hustler is much different than raping a drugged child at a theme costume party, which is what happened at Elm Guest House regularly. My point was that no one's art makes them above reproach. Should the person's personal life be left out of enjoyment of their art? That's fine if you wish.

I see this as Morrissey basically poking a flaming bag of shit with a stick to see what happens. Morrissey IRL trolling at it's finest and he can keep doing it as long as his career is still leaving skidmarks in our cultural underpants I guess.

I am aware of the claims about Jimmy Saville, as well as the Elm Guest House stuff. It's very sickening. And I had read the Mirror article you linked to already. It does not mention Richards by name. No reliable source does--just really weird conspiracy websites. Maybe the pop star mentioned is Richards, maybe it isn't I don't know. I just don't know how we have come to this conclusion. I know nothing about Richards at all and am not trying to blindly defend him or anything like that I'm just curious what the source for these allegations is. And like I said I know about the Elm Guest House and Jimmy Saville.
 

Orson Swells

Well-Known Member
I am aware of the claims about Jimmy Saville, as well as the Elm Guest House stuff. It's very sickening. And I had read the Mirror article you linked to already. It does not mention Richards by name. No reliable source does--just really weird conspiracy websites. Maybe the pop star mentioned is Richards, maybe it isn't I don't know. I just don't know how we have come to this conclusion. I know nothing about Richards at all and am not trying to blindly defend him or anything like that I'm just curious what the source for these allegations is. And like I said I know about the Elm Guest House and Jimmy Saville.

I believe the pop star is supposedly Jess Conrad.
 
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Anonymous

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Erm… Should I send the below through Google translate (English->English)? Or is there someone else here who can paraphrase?

I started the thread simply because of Morrissey's interest in the Krays, and the links between Richard/Jones and the brothers, which I hadn't known about. And Morrissey's dress sense. That is all.

The Krays were the biggest bunch of c***s around, why do you care about them? The only people who fall for the gangster shit are idiots. Morrissey became very uninteresting as soon as he got into all that london gangster shit when questioned on his love for them he just says well when working class people break the law its wrong. f***tard Mozza.
The gay element is the bit that interests mozza most but you should know The Kays raped men, used rent boys where linked to various child abuse rings
As was cliff richard, its thought that cliff was himself a rent boy, as was marc bolan, which should start to join the dots.
Mozza himself writes about child abuse and rent boys, his old friend james maker stared in a gay porn movie, even one of the band Bradford, who wrote skin storm was arrested for child porn material
Mozza is seedy. I dont blame americans for not knowing this but english people should. CG is wrong to attack Kristeen, she just plays along using whatever she feels moz will like and will make her interesting. Shes Clueless.
Its ass splitting funny that the mexicans LA fans see moz as some kind of out law figure as he is so far removed from that its unreal. I was speaking to Mozza's tour manager last year, one afternoon he is typical of the kind of mind moz like a bit thick and london
 
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