kilbourn just plugged for moz again 7/9/02

[Fox in the Snow]

Re: Yeh, go to Conan, Moz!

> I have a talent crush on Conan. But I probably shouldn't slam Kilborn as
> he's being so nice to Morrissey. Conan is kind of a rockabilly boy though,
> he might like Moz too, ya never know. Anyway, I'll give Kilborn another
> shot....

> Have you noticed that Irish Catholics are taking over talk TV? Look at the
> cable news channels: Bill O'Reilly, Chris Mathews, Sean Hannity, Phil
> Donahue.
> What's up w/ that.
Conan is an Bostonian Irish, who went to Harvard and was there a chief editor of venerable publication Harward Lampoon, so that would explain my Boston Irish Connections joke... LOL I like Conan a lot, but my most favourite TV Irishman is Bill Maher (Politically Incorrect), who is both funny and unafraid to raise serious political questions.... Too bad, he is booted out of TV by some do-gooders PC types... I hate it and I hope some other major network would hire Bill Maher at the best time slots available! BTW, I like Bill O'Reilly for his straightforwardness and no-spin-zone spirit, even if sometimes he is inaccurate and partisan, as all political commentators are... and I vote Democrats... About Chris Mathews, to be honest, I found him an obnoxious asshole, who is so full of himself, he interrupts his guests in the mid-sentense...

OK, that's my 2 cents... Cheers

 

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Re: Planet Hollywood

 

[Shawn]

Re: Morrissey should snub Kilborne for Conan

> Morrissey was on The Tonight Show twice, the most mainstream talk show
> around.
> Jay Leno even made a big production out of having Morrissey sign his
> "Your Arsenal" CD. Then he was on Letterman in Letterman's most
> mainstream CBS era.

> Conan has lots of good music guests.

> And if you think he's "mediocre" you just don't know good
> comedy. Every night
> he's funny as hell. That ain't easy. Conan has funnier sh*t on a nightly
> basis than SNL can pull off on a...monthly basis.

> You can pat yourself on the back that you "get" a singer who the
> mainstream "never" could, but the fact is, if you could go back
> in time and play some of the catchier Smiths or Morrissey singles 30
> times/day on MTV, Morrissey would be a hugely mainstream pop star today.
> People haven't rejected something they haven't been exposed to. Take LA
> for example. They play him on the radio there; he's popular there.

No, LA doesn't play Morrissey anymore... except during the occasional 80's lunch hour or very rarely on a station that plays 80's music. Even KROQ doesn't play Moz. All I hear are crap bands like Lincoln Park! For Morrissey to be "popular" today, he would have to have a DJ and someone who raps in his band and maybe a duo with P Diddy or Ja Rule.

... and I'd rather see Moz on Kilby's show.

VIVA MOZ

 

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Re: Morrissey should snub Kilborne for Conan

> No, LA doesn't play Morrissey anymore... except during the occasional 80's
> lunch hour or very rarely on a station that plays 80's music. Even KROQ
> doesn't play Moz. All I hear are crap bands like Lincoln Park! For
> Morrissey to be "popular" today, he would have to have a DJ and
> someone who raps in his band and maybe a duo with P Diddy or Ja Rule.

> ... and I'd rather see Moz on Kilby's show.

> VIVA MOZ

mmmmm yep that's what I thought

in this day and age of "pop" only prerequisite is that no intelligence be involved.
that's why it's called MAINSTREAM
THAT'S WHY CRAIGERS IS THE BEST AND MOST LIKELY ONLY CHOICE.
YA YOU SEE PAUL WESTERBERG ON LETTERMAN QUITE A BIT BUT LETS FACE IT - MOST OF LETTERMANS AUDIENCE PROBABLY HAS NO CLUE AS TO WHO "THE REPLACEMENTS" WERE

 

[Shawn]

Re: Morrissey should snub Kilborne for Conan

> mmmmm yep that's what I thought

> in this day and age of "pop" only prerequisite is that no
> intelligence be involved.
> that's why it's called MAINSTREAM
> THAT'S WHY CRAIGERS IS THE BEST AND MOST LIKELY ONLY CHOICE.
> YA YOU SEE PAUL WESTERBERG ON LETTERMAN QUITE A BIT BUT LETS FACE IT -
> MOST OF LETTERMANS AUDIENCE PROBABLY HAS NO CLUE AS TO WHO "THE
> REPLACEMENTS" WERE

I still have the "I Will Dare" 12"... you want it?

 

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Re: Morrissey should snub Kilborne for Conan

> I still have the "I Will Dare" 12"... you want it?

that's hilarious. I just picked up a replacements bootleg (it seemed worthy of a listen) from CBGB's
"everybody loves an egomaniac"

 

[LoafingOaf]

Re: Morrissey should snub Kilborne for Conan

> No, LA doesn't play Morrissey anymore... except during the occasional 80's
> lunch hour or very rarely on a station that plays 80's music. Even KROQ
> doesn't play Moz. All I hear are crap bands like Lincoln Park! For
> Morrissey to be "popular" today, he would have to have a DJ and
> someone who raps in his band and maybe a duo with P Diddy or Ja Rule.

> ... and I'd rather see Moz on Kilby's show.

> VIVA MOZ

Well, I have no idea how much Morrissey was ever played in LA, but I do have a CD called Morrissey at KROQ, so in the 90s he was obviously played on one of their biggest stations. Which was not the case in my city, nor do we have an occasional song on some lunch hour. Obviously they aren't playing Morrissey in LA today; he doesn't have new material. And I would guess that the horrendous radio laws Bill Clinton signed have helped put the last nail in the coffin of radio in LA just like my city? The point was that Morrissey had a helluva lot of fans in LA in the 90s, and not so coincidentally enough KROQ was playing him.

In Cleveland, where I live, I can tell you preciesly how many times I've heard Morrissey on the radio. When Your Arsenal came out, there was a Sunday night "alternative" rock radio show on Sunday nights (the time slot where hardly anybody was listening) and they played "We Hate It When Our Friends BEcomes SUccessful" precisely one time. Then there was the Modern Rock Live interview which happened to be carried by a local station, so there was an hour of Morrissey, again on a Sunday night. BEyond that, I called in a request for "Nobody Loves Us" to Cleveland State University's low wattage college station, which is normally too full of their punk rock snobbery to play someone like Morrissey. They played it because I donated 20 bucks. He's probably been on a few more times than that, but I listened to the radio a lot during the 90s and that is exactly how many times I heard him. DEspite this conspiracy against him, he still sold a lot of tickets at medium sized venues. I see no reason to believe he wouldn't have sold out the basketball arena had he been played 20 times a day.

The problem with the mainstream is not that they have no ability to embrace good music. It's that they are not as into music to go to the trouble of finding stuff on their own, and so what's on their radar screens is decided by a few business people. There have been plenty of pop stars who broke thru despite being just as "oddball" or "weird" as Morrissey on first listen. And I bet in each case it was because a corporate meeting somewhere decided to give that artist some play. Just as it was not a coincidence that the two tours Morrissey had the most success in America in the early 90s were the same years he was on "Hangin' W/ MTV" and The Tonight Show, despite the first of those tours being in support of "Kill Uncle," the album of his least likely to appeal to non Morrissey obsessives. You don't need a secret handshake or a high IQ to enjoy "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out"; you just need to hear it a few times.

 

[LoafingOaf]

Re: Morrissey should snub Kilborne for Conan

> THAT'S WHY CRAIGERS IS THE BEST AND MOST LIKELY ONLY CHOICE.
> YA YOU SEE PAUL WESTERBERG ON LETTERMAN QUITE A BIT BUT LETS FACE IT -
> MOST OF LETTERMANS AUDIENCE PROBABLY HAS NO CLUE AS TO WHO "THE
> REPLACEMENTS" WERE

But The Recplacements were just a straight rock and roll band, a little more unhinged than most. They could appeal to anyone who has ever been into rock and roll (personally I always found them a little overrated, but they're okay and they did rock). LEtterman's audience since he went to 11:30 includes a lot of older people who didn't have time to keep up on obscure rock bands of the 80s, as that's when they were beginning their careers. However, a good percentage of them were into similar sounds when they were young. As for LEtterman's younger audience, well, The Replacements are going on 20 years old soon....

 

[cijdci]

Re: Morrissey should snub Kilborne for Conan

> Well, I have no idea how much Morrissey was ever played in LA, but I do
> have a CD called Morrissey at KROQ, so in the 90s he was obviously played
> on one of their biggest stations. Which was not the case in my city, nor
> do we have an occasional song on some lunch hour. Obviously they aren't
> playing Morrissey in LA today; he doesn't have new material. And I would
> guess that the horrendous radio laws Bill Clinton signed have helped put
> the last nail in the coffin of radio in LA just like my city? The point
> was that Morrissey had a helluva lot of fans in LA in the 90s, and not so
> coincidentally enough KROQ was playing him.

> In Cleveland, where I live, I can tell you preciesly how many times I've
> heard Morrissey on the radio. When Your Arsenal came out, there was a
> Sunday night "alternative" rock radio show on Sunday nights (the
> time slot where hardly anybody was listening) and they played "We
> Hate It When Our Friends BEcomes SUccessful" precisely one time. Then
> there was the Modern Rock Live interview which happened to be carried by a
> local station, so there was an hour of Morrissey, again on a Sunday night.
> BEyond that, I called in a request for "Nobody Loves Us" to
> Cleveland State University's low wattage college station, which is
> normally too full of their punk rock snobbery to play someone like
> Morrissey. They played it because I donated 20 bucks. He's probably been
> on a few more times than that, but I listened to the radio a lot during
> the 90s and that is exactly how many times I heard him. DEspite this
> conspiracy against him, he still sold a lot of tickets at medium sized
> venues. I see no reason to believe he wouldn't have sold out the
> basketball arena had he been played 20 times a day.

> The problem with the mainstream is not that they have no ability to
> embrace good music. It's that they are not as into music to go to the
> trouble of finding stuff on their own, and so what's on their radar
> screens is decided by a few business people. There have been plenty of pop
> stars who broke thru despite being just as "oddball" or
> "weird" as Morrissey on first listen. And I bet in each case it
> was because a corporate meeting somewhere decided to give that artist some
> play. Just as it was not a coincidence that the two tours Morrissey had
> the most success in America in the early 90s were the same years he was on
> "Hangin' W/ MTV" and The Tonight Show, despite the first of
> those tours being in support of "Kill Uncle," the album of his
> least likely to appeal to non Morrissey obsessives. You don't need a
> secret handshake or a high IQ to enjoy "There Is A Light That Never
> Goes Out"; you just need to hear it a few times.

that's all true,
i got into morrissey
growing up in a culturally dry, tiny, one flavor, midwestern town, pop. 8000
i was listening to a crappy local station and heard "we hate it when our friends become successful"
i only heard it once and i knew i loved him.

 

[LoafingOaf]

Re: Morrissey should snub Kilborne for Conan

> that's all true,
> i got into morrissey
> growing up in a culturally dry, tiny, one flavor, midwestern town, pop.
> 8000
> i was listening to a crappy local station and heard "we hate it when
> our friends become successful"
> i only heard it once and i knew i loved him.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure what the deal was was that in the early 90s there was a loose network of corporate "alternative" stations around the country (today we have an "extreme" rock station that's probably a clone station as well), and when they played We Hate It I got the feeling from the DJ's intro that he was playing it one time on instructions from the record label.