Johnny Marr supports RNCM

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It’s great that he supports things like this In his home town.
 
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funny how so many musicians who dropped out of school end up supporting music schools. johnny would never have formed the smiths if he went to a music college. a nice but disingenuous gesture on johnny's part. bit like playing pretend.
 

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Lovely gesture - it would have been a lot better without the sappy background music though. Get some hairspray on that barnet, Johnny!
 
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funny how so many musicians who dropped out of school end up supporting music schools. johnny would never have formed the smiths if he went to a music college. a nice but disingenuous gesture on johnny's part. bit like playing pretend.

Of course he wouldn't have gone there, it would have been mostly for classical music studies in his day. I think it's a bit cynical to put down someone who is trying to help out a struggling music school with whatever audience he has, which diversifies the message.
 

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It’s great that he supports things like this In his home town.

Yes it’s cool. And he doesn’t mind that it’s made known that he supports RNCM. It adds to the image of what a good guy he is. :thumb:
funny how so many musicians who dropped out of school end up supporting music schools. johnny would never have formed the smiths if he went to a music college. a nice but disingenuous gesture on johnny's part. bit like playing pretend.

I don’t think he’s pretending. He’s a cool guy, and if it helps people make music their life ? then that’s cool too !
 

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Lovely gesture - i would have been a lot better without the sappy background music though. Get some hairspray on that barnet, Johnny!

yes, you would have been a lot better without the sappy background music. ;)

Btw if you dare touch a hair on his head I’ll fight to the last breath !
 

Amy

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funny how so many musicians who dropped out of school end up supporting music schools. johnny would never have formed the smiths if he went to a music college. a nice but disingenuous gesture on johnny's part. bit like playing pretend.
Neither would any working-class musician of that era, but that doesn't mean they have no value for someone else?
 

Ketamine Sun

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Neither would any working-class musician of that era, but that doesn't mean they have no value for someone else?

It’s silly to say rockers shouldn’t have gone to music schools back in the day. I mean you could learn so many other things! Bet you Johnny regrets not having gone.

Don’t think Ronson went(?) but he knew all about string arrangements, etc


Ask Vini ....

 

Amy

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It’s silly to say rockers shouldn’t have gone to music schools back in the day. I mean you could learn so many other things! Bet you Johnny regrets not having gone.

Don’t think Ronson went(?) but he knew all about string arrangements, etc


Ask Vini ....

I didn't say they shouldn't, I said wouldn't/couldn't - as in, it wasn't really open to them. Where would kids from Wythenshawe find that sort of money? Johnny Marr's friends were his music education and nearly all of them went into the music industry. He has always said that being self-taught helped him to develop his own style.
 

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I didn't say they shouldn't, I said wouldn't/couldn't. Where would kids from Wythenshawe find that sort of tuition money? Johnny Marr's friends were his music education, most of them into the music industry. He has always said that being self-taught helped him to develop his own style.

I think a lot of self taught musicians come up with original ideas as they have no reference point to the norm. Arctic Monkeys spring to mind.
 

Ketamine Sun

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I didn't say they shouldn't, I said wouldn't/couldn't. Where would kids from Wythenshawe find that sort of tuition money? Johnny Marr's friends were his music education, most of them into the music industry. He has always said that being self-taught helped him to develop his own style.

So true ! I think for most musicians their record collections are or have been their music school.

One of the good things about the school learning is you can learn other things that may be useful in the studio, etc it also helps to have those credits if you want to go commercial.

But to really make a mark, it’s most likely you’ll be an outsider/true artist and develop your own thing without influences trying to make you sound like everyone else. Johnny did that in The Smiths, it really was a new sound.


What do you think ?
 

Ketamine Sun

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I think a lot of self taught musicians come up with original ideas as they have no reference point to the norm. Arctic Monkeys spring to mind.

Can you give some examples of the Arctic Monkeys showing that they have original ideas? Some videos maybe you can link that would be good examples of this?

I’ve heard of them, but just thought of them as just another rock pop band, and maybe I should give them a chance.
 

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Can you give some examples of the Arctic Monkeys showing that they have original ideas? Some videos maybe you can link that would be good examples of this?

I’ve heard of them, but just thought of them as just another rock pop band, and maybe I should give them a chance.

Not sure how well they are known in the US but they were one if the first bands to embrace the internet for getting themselves known (in the UK) which led to them having the the fastest selling album ever in the UK. Heres one of there earlier tracks called I bet you look good on the dance floor and Tranquility Base Hotel and Casino from their latest album of the same name.


 

Amy

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So true ! I think for most musicians their record collections are or have been their music school.

One of the good things about the school learning is you can learn other things that may be useful in the studio, etc it also helps to have those credits if you want to go commercial.

But to really make a mark, it’s most likely you’ll be an outsider/true artist and develop your own thing without influences trying to make you sound like everyone else. Johnny did that in The Smiths, it really was a new sound.


What do you think ?

I think Johnny's great strength is that his influences have never been 'obvious' in his work, and they're often quite surprising. His trademark jingle-jangle wasn't new - he was influenced by James Honeyman-Scott, maybe Vini Reilly, it was a Byrds-like sound - but he took it so much further, he was mixing 'jangle' type sounds with blues chords, funk, rockabilly. And he was so young when he started out, he only had a limited time to 'absorb' influences before he was writing and recording on his own. I would never have guessed that he hero-worshipped Nile Rodgers and Bert Jansch.
 

Ketamine Sun

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I think Johnny's great strength is that his influences have never been 'obvious' in his work, and they're often quite surprising. His trademark jingle-jangle wasn't new - he was influenced by James Honeyman-Scott, maybe Vini Reilly, it was a Byrds-like sound - but he took it so much further, he was mixing 'jangle' type sounds with blues chords, funk, rockabilly. And he was so young when he started out, he only had a limited time to 'absorb' influences before he was writing and recording on his own. I would never have guessed that he hero-worshipped Nile Rodgers and Bert Jansch.

Awesome :thumb: That’s really the mark of genius though. All artists have influences, but it’s those special individuals that filter it through themselves and make it new by making it their own. Elvis, Bowie, Miles Davis, Morrissey, etc. And as far as guitarist/composers go, Marr is one of the very very best. There’s a bit of magic going on. And as you know, you can’t learn that in music school.

Also, let’s not forget James Williamson, though I’m sure Marr’s list of inspirations is a long one.
 
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