Morrissey Slams Meat, Voting, and Pharmaceutical Commercials in Miami - Miami New Times.

[Famous when dead]

Interesting article and picture collection.
Regards,
FWD
Note: 'pope of mope' used for those who hate it!
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/crossfade/2014/06/morrissey_review_photos_miami_2014.php

 

[Uncleskinny]

Interesting article and picture collection.
Regards,
FWD
Note: 'pope of mope' used for those who hate it!
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/crossfade/2014/06/morrissey_review_photos_miami_2014.php

That "No voting" thing, as espoused by his chum Brand really worked out in the UK, didn't it? Now you have racist, homophobic, sexist arseholes elected via UKIP. To espouse non-voting is an idiotic thing to do.

P.

 

[Famous when dead]

That "No voting" thing, as espoused by his chum Brand really worked out in the UK, didn't it? Now you have racist, homophobic, sexist arseholes elected via UKIP. To espouse non-voting is an idiotic thing to do.

P.

Totally agree with you Peter.
I voted and wished the aprox 65% who couldn't be arsed had done also. 'Participatory democracy' has a clue in the title. The only thing, sadly, to come of not voting is comedy value in Europe as a bunch of newly elected MEPs who dislike it probably say nutty things to the rest of them.
Brand's post-journalist reinvention of himself as a drug rehab Rasputin is as daft as not voting imho.
Regards,
FWD

 

[Imbrie]

That "No voting" thing, as espoused by his chum Brand really worked out in the UK, didn't it? Now you have racist, homophobic, sexist arseholes elected via UKIP. To espouse non-voting is an idiotic thing to do.

P.

voting 'just because you can' might be even more so.

 

[Uncleskinny]

voting 'just because you can' might be even more so.

Utter rubbish. In Australia it is compulsory. I am in favour of that. Did the suffragettes do all their work so lazy f***ers who can't be arsed slouch at home? Nonsense.

P.

 

[Hod]

Utter rubbish. In Australia it is compulsory. I am in favour of that. Did the suffragettes do all their work so lazy f***ers who can't be arsed slouch at home? Nonsense.

P.

You're in favour of compulsory voting? The whole notion of democracy is based on having the choice to take part. Even though I chose to vote for the European Elections, can you really blame people for not voting in general or local elections? A First past the post system and a bunch of stale neo-liberal parties with no real differences between them means that nothing will change. Politics is more than just voting in an election, though the news won't tell you that - the way you live your life, and the ways you don't, have a far greater political impact than voting in an election which, in terms of ideology, is already decided.

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

Utter rubbish. In Australia it is compulsory. I am in favour of that. Did the suffragettes do all their work so lazy f***ers who can't be arsed slouch at home? Nonsense.

P.

I can't think of anything more repulsive than being forced to vote for Labour, Conservative or Lib Dem. UKIP are just an offshoot of what you get when every party uses immigration as a tool to win votes. Do you think it's accidental that they have promoted mass immigration while also attacking immigrants for the country's ills? Well, immigrants and the poor. You'd expect divide and rule from the Tories but not from Labour. When those class traitors give us an alternative to voting Conservative then maybe voting will become worthwhile again and more than a fraction of the population will feel compelled to vote. I'm not voting Tory and that's all a vote at the minute amounts to.

 

[Famous when dead]

I've always found it amusing when people choose not to engage with one aspect of politics and yet conform and kowtow to almost every other aspect of the 'government' and it's edicts.
The cognitive distortions used to not vote are so clichéd. People distance themselves from politics by saying 'the government' like they are all aliens that just appeared in Westminster. Yes, there are some posh boys, but equally, there are people that lived on your streets, canvassed your door and are not as detached as people would like them to be.
If 100% of people showed some interest in matters even with the poor choices on offer, the subsequent elections would encourage better mandates from each party. Whilst only a few can be bothered, people deserve what they get. Ironically, the people with the strongest view about politics always appear to be lazy or apethetic or riddled with trite excuses or even worse... wearing their Guy Fawkes mask - shouting smash the system - whilst somewhere in China: kids are being exploited to create that revolutionary mask they wear... hypocrisy is rife.
Nobody need be compelled but opting out shows more about the person than the government.
Regards,
FWD

 

[Imbrie]

Utter rubbish. In Australia it is compulsory. I am in favour of that. Did the suffragettes do all their work so lazy f***ers who can't be arsed slouch at home? Nonsense.

P.

compulsory voting? how charming.

and how do you suggest an individual reconcile with himself the voting for somebody/a party which is not representative of their beliefs/opinions/requirements? voting second best or in a 'they'll do' manner is not a realistic proposition for me. i have voted in the past but for the time being i invoke my human right to abstain until something viable nears the horizon. and really, go f*** yourself if you disagree.

 

[Anonymous]

A lot of us learned our lesson in the States about this in 2000. There had been much rhetoric about the two main parties lacking any real significant difference -- both owned by powerful lobbyists, Wall Street, etcetera. Many who would have voted for Gore opted instead for Ralph Nader and the Green Party, which at the end of the day, meant your vote counted about as much as not voting at all and we ended up with the artist formally known as Dubya.

I realize voting for a third party candidate is not the same as not voting at all, but the sentiment behind it is pretty similar i.e. a refusal to support a system that sucks. And the results of a meaningless vote or a non-vote seem to yield very similar results -- ushering in the small-minded, bigoted and careless.

The Nader vote ended up feeling irresponsible, as does not voting at all. Claims that 'supporting a lesser evil is still supporting evil' oversimplifies a very complex issue.

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

I've always found it amusing when people choose not to engage with one aspect of politics and yet conform and kowtow to almost every other aspect of the 'government' and it's edicts.
The cognitive distortions used to not vote are so clichéd. People distance themselves from politics by saying 'the government' like they are all aliens that just appeared in Westminster. Yes, there are some posh boys, but equally, there are people that lived on your streets, canvassed your door and are not as detached as people would like them to be.
If 100% of people showed some interest in matters even with the poor choices on offer, the subsequent elections would encourage better mandates from each party. Whilst only a few can be bothered, people deserve what they get. Ironically, the people with the strongest view about politics always appear to be lazy or apethetic or riddled with trite excuses or even worse... wearing their Guy Fawkes mask - shouting smash the system - whilst somewhere in China: kids are being exploited to create that revolutionary mask they wear... hypocrisy is rife.
Nobody need be compelled but opting out shows more about the person than the government.
Regards,
FWD

It isn't about personalities or apathy, that's the politicians' mantra not the reality. It's about being sick to death of having the choice of two parties that control every aspect of our lives, that play the divide and rule card with immigration and class, that use education as a vote winning tool rather than using education as a tool to educate, that long since gave up representing us as a population as they seek to gain election on policies that the right wing media support etc, etc, etc.

Anyone with a brain soon learns that they can't change anything, the political debate is so controlled and so small that change is impossible. The first past the post electoral system means that we're forever stuck in between a gnat's hair of Labour and Conservative. We are where we are and we'll go where we go regardless of what you or I vote for. We're an irrelevance, all that matters is that big business is catered for. This would be great if the money filtered down as Thatcher believed it would but as it doesn't...

Keep voting though if it makes you feel superior and like you're making the slightest jot of difference. If you're in favour of maintaining what we have regardless of the colour of party in power then your vote won't be a wasted one.

 

[Famous when dead]

It isn't about personalities or apathy, that's the politicians' mantra not the reality. It's about being sick to death of having the choice of two parties that control every aspect of our lives, that play the divide and rule card with immigration and class, that use education as a vote winning tool rather than using education as a tool to educate, that long since gave up representing us as a population as they seek to gain election on policies that the right wing media support etc, etc, etc.

Anyone with a brain soon learns that they can't change anything, the political debate is so controlled and so small that change is impossible. The first past the post electoral system means that we're forever stuck in between a gnat's hair of Labour and Conservative. We are where we are and we'll go where we go regardless of what you or I vote for. We're an irrelevance, all that matters is that big business is catered for. This would be great if the money filtered down as Thatcher believed it would but as it doesn't...

Keep voting though if it makes you feel superior and like you're making the slightest jot of difference. If you're in favour of maintaining what we have regardless of the colour of party in power then your vote won't be a wasted one.

Given the social construct you live in is not going to change any time soon and besides stating your view of things without offering a way to change what obviously perturbs you - why bother having an opinion?
'Anyone with a brain..." is the only superior notion I've read in this thread as it implies people who vote are stupid as they haven't (or are too dumb) to come to your (very anecdotal) conclusion about things.
Local politics is actually quite different to national. People have and can get things changed in their communities.
The 'they're all the same' argument nationally is quite tiresome as it gives people permission to feel disengaged.
When non-voters can offer a cogent counter argument and offer an alternative, you have no choice but to work within the system you find yourself in or sit back and let other people decide things for you.
Regards,
FWD

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

Given the social construct you live in is not going to change any time soon and besides stating your view of things without offering a way to change what obviously perturbs you - why bother having an opinion?
'Anyone with a brain..." is the only superior notion I've read in this thread as it implies people who vote are stupid as they haven't (or are too dumb) to come to your (very anecdotal) conclusion about things.
Local politics is actually quite different to national. People have and can get things changed in their communities.
The 'they're all the same' argument nationally is quite tiresome as it gives people permission to feel disengaged.
When non-voters can offer a cogent counter argument and offer an alternative, you have no choice but to work within the system you find yourself in or sit back and let other people decide things for you.
Regards,
FWD

Powerful pressure groups, the media and lobbyists are what dictate policies along with politicians that are riddled with their own dogma (Michael Gove). Voting's neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things, especially where I live where a Conservative MP has been elected since 400bc. I write to him fairly often and that makes no difference whatsoever unless it's a local issue that's concerning you. He's a good MP but on a local level although he's been part of cabinets. When it comes to National politics the population has become disengaged because we have been disengaged.

All that comes out of government isn't what do you want us to do but how you should think. You should hate foreigners, you should hate the poor, teachers should be attacked for their inabilities to get results or if results are good for fiddling them, they're public not private workers after all. We should be ever thankful to big business, after all, we have no industry so they're the only ones that keep us afloat. If they keep all of their riches to themselves, who cares? They earned it after all. I still don't know what part their minimum wage work force has to play in this, they're irrelevant too. You get the general idea. The idea of voting for this makes me physically sick.

 

[Chip]

A lot of us learned our lesson in the States about this in 2000. There had been much rhetoric about the two main parties lacking any real significant difference -- both owned by powerful lobbyists, Wall Street, etcetera. Many who would have voted for Gore opted instead for Ralph Nader and the Green Party, which at the end of the day, meant your vote counted about as much as not voting at all and we ended up with the artist formally known as Dubya.

I realize voting for a third party candidate is not the same as not voting at all, but the sentiment behind it is pretty similar i.e. a refusal to support a system that sucks. And the results of a meaningless vote or a non-vote seem to yield very similar results -- ushering in the small-minded, bigoted and careless.

The Nader vote ended up feeling irresponsible, as does not voting at all. Claims that 'supporting a lesser evil is still supporting evil' oversimplifies a very complex issue.

I voted for Nader. Not in 2000 as I wasn't old enough to vote. And Jill Stein as well. And Green candidates for local offices and one write-in socialist. I even worked on the campaign of a Green Party candidate for Senate.

I don't feel irresponsible.

This is the first time there are no Greens on my ballot and I am seriously considering not voting for the first time. Not because I want to, but honestly I don't see anyone worth voting for. That's not surprising since elections with strong third party candidates tend to have higher voter turn out. It also doesn't help that pretty much all of the elections in my state/locality are predetermined. At the very local level everything will go Republican and above that the Democratic incumbents will win. I have only ever voted in one election that was even remotely close.

 

[Oh my god. it's Robby!]

global warming gonna kill us all anyways, we all know that

I only vote because the alternative is even worse
and since the forces of evil, like the Koch Brothers spend millions and millions on winning elections
then voting must matter, even if just a little bit
however, let's not pretend it can do more than they stave off the inevitable
a world where the inequality between the "ultra rich" and the rest of us has gotten to the point where everyone is their slaves
so yeah, I can see the point to people that say "f*** voting"
perhaps our only consolation in voting is that we can at least say we did something, however pointless it may actual be

 

[Anonymous]

Kristeen is alluding on Facebook the tour is cancelled. What the hell happened in Miami?

 

[Anonymous]

Kristeen is alluding on Facebook the tour is cancelled. What the hell happened in Miami?

WTF??!

Can you or anyone else post KY's fb status? Thanks.