American guns strike again
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Grim O'Grady
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I feel sorry for the victims families, such a needless loss of life.
I wouldn't have felt sorry had it been bush or any of his cronies though, as ye sow etc.
I think that attitude is probably endemic of the vast majority of the U.S. But I suppose if people hadn't have stood up & been counted (& a few will have been shot down) then slavery would still be going & no doubt the Indians would still be hounded off their lands (if they hadn't all been killed by now, that is).
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Grim
I wouldn't have felt sorry had it been bush or any of his cronies though, as ye sow etc.
As WinkWink said, banning assault weapons is a great idea and should have already happened. As Robby pointed out, however, the right to own guns is a basic tenet of our system. US culture was for a long time a frontier society, and like it or not, those values remain fixed. You'll see legalized marijuana and gay marriage before you ever see guns banned here. That's reality. BTW, I come from a family in which nobody keeps guns in the home, but we're just a bunch of marginal Yankee eccentrics.
I think that attitude is probably endemic of the vast majority of the U.S. But I suppose if people hadn't have stood up & been counted (& a few will have been shot down) then slavery would still be going & no doubt the Indians would still be hounded off their lands (if they hadn't all been killed by now, that is).
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Busy Clippers
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They are not Indians, they are Native Americans. As a matter of fact my cousins are still living exactly where they were when the English first landed.
Grim O'Grady
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They are not Indians, they are Native Americans. As a matter of fact my cousins are still living exactly where they were when the English first landed.
I never saw one John Wayne film where he shoots any Native Americans I guess your tv stations must either have been censored or the films had been dubbed quite a lot.
When I was a kid we used to play 'cowboys & indians', so what would it be these days...
'non-gender specific cowpersons & native americans', no wonder the kids play PS2 or 3 or whatever version they have these days eh?
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Worm
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The latest news from CNN is that the shooter was a Virginia Tech "student and native of South Korea".
gertrude, will you please brief us on the nutters of South Korea? Or have you not seen enough South Korean movies and TV shows to research the subject properly?
gertrude, will you please brief us on the nutters of South Korea? Or have you not seen enough South Korean movies and TV shows to research the subject properly?
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Busy Clippers
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Make up your mind, Grim. Is hounding Native Americans off their land,
a: a grave injustice (as you implied in your first post on this thread)
or
b: a great game for kids (see above)
And The Indians are a baseball team from Cleveland, baseball being what we played when I grew up. And by the time I was a kid everybody knew those John Wayne movies were racist.
gertrude
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When he arrived in the US he probably had a walk around the town and bought some bread, eggs, cheese, hamburgers, deadly weapons, a CD and some sugar.
Guess which purchase he couldn't have made in the UK?
So if he went off his nut here the consequences would have been much less tragic.
And if you want to debate Korea's history and the terrible part the US played and still plays in it I'll be happy to oblige.
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Dave
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I decided to read the whole thread before I posted and saw that Busy Clippers had already quoted this post but I have to say that your attitude is such that you can "attack" an entire nation, what, two or three times in these four sentences, and apparently you are unaware you're doing it. No, I didn't attack you or anyone. I'm challenging your views and your interpretation of the facts, not you.
About tougher gun laws, maybe in that state, but we've already seen John Lennon (handguns restrictions, fatal) and Ronald Reagan (Brady Bill - more handgun laws, survived) and we don't really do that anymore. The Brady Bill has been allowed to expire.
It's true. When you go the dentist they don't even have waiting rooms for blacks and Hispanics.
Worm
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I'll give you credit for consistency. You started this thread arrogant, ghoulish, narrow-minded, and ignorant and you're going to keep it up no matter how badly you come off looking.
No doubt you'd be just as educational about U.S./Korea relations as you have been about American murderers (one Cho Seung-Hui of South Korea), but I think I'll humbly pass. I haven't watched enough TV to match your erudition.
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Dave
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Right. The fact that I believe in the right to own a weapon makes me morally the same as if I were trying to reinstitute slavery, or commit genocide.
I think it's great that we have the history of the British Empire to look to as an example of how to treat everyone else in the world with dignity and equality.
SouthpawGlamour
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If the people we call 'chavs', 'schemos', 'hooligans' etc had guns here, there would be shootings EVERY DAY.
You can't give the scum and low life guns and expect anything else. They already use knives, bats and anything else they can lay thier hands on.
Guns are readily available in the USA, so it's naturally the weapon of choice of this type of scum and unfortunately the consequences are much more devastating.
Giving people guns only leads to killing, not peace and tranqulity.
In the UK, it is illegal for any citizen to have a gun unless they are a member of a gun club and the weapon is all above board. Therefore, people carrying guns are already facing a long jail sentence.
Gun crime in the UK is almost exclusively within a single community!
You can't give the scum and low life guns and expect anything else. They already use knives, bats and anything else they can lay thier hands on.
Guns are readily available in the USA, so it's naturally the weapon of choice of this type of scum and unfortunately the consequences are much more devastating.
Giving people guns only leads to killing, not peace and tranqulity.
In the UK, it is illegal for any citizen to have a gun unless they are a member of a gun club and the weapon is all above board. Therefore, people carrying guns are already facing a long jail sentence.
Gun crime in the UK is almost exclusively within a single community!
lux girl
In Moz We Trust
Same goes for The Republic of Ireland. Only scumbags and members of carefully monitored gun clubs have weapons.
My heart really does go out to the families and students of Virginia Tech. The US really needs to look at it's gun laws. I'm not having a pop at the USA as many others are here today. I just hope some sense and clarity can come out of all this.
Worm
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Perfect. Nothing left to say.
left out
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It's a tragedy for everyone involved.
It's a problem of society generally not only about the easy availability of guns. In Britain it's not difficult for criminals to get guns and it's an increasing problem.
And the baiting of "Americans" is stupid. Nationalism is just another "ism" used to divide people and enable them to feel better about their own imperfect country. No one country or people is inherently "better" or smarter than another, though global inequality of wealth can lead people to think that way.
It's possible to love the culture, language, literature, music, etc that you were brought up in without neccessarily concluding it's superior to others. I enjoy the language and culture of other places and like to be challenged by different world views.
It's a problem of society generally not only about the easy availability of guns. In Britain it's not difficult for criminals to get guns and it's an increasing problem.
And the baiting of "Americans" is stupid. Nationalism is just another "ism" used to divide people and enable them to feel better about their own imperfect country. No one country or people is inherently "better" or smarter than another, though global inequality of wealth can lead people to think that way.
It's possible to love the culture, language, literature, music, etc that you were brought up in without neccessarily concluding it's superior to others. I enjoy the language and culture of other places and like to be challenged by different world views.
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Dave
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Thank you. You said it all for me.
Oh my god. it's Robby!
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WinkWink
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Listen Jerk...reasonable gun laws can not be passed in America because of the National Riffle Associatoin (NRA), perhaps the most powerful lobby group in America. So coming to morrissey-solow and rubbing it into american faces, that they have gun problems, and that america is nuts is not the way to go about things. It's not sensible. Americans don't love guns..only a minority do. They happen to have strong support.
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WinkWink
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Worm
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