Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 is pure propaganda, so you obviously can't claim to care about truth
> Saying that the Unocal pipeline has nothing to do with the invasion of
> Afghanistan makes you look as foolish as someone who says that the Unocal
> pipeline has everything to do with the invasion.
Unocal had NOTHING to do with the invasion. The Unocal pipeline was dropped in 1998 and that's the end of that. As of now, no pipeline has been built (the U.S. is building a highway in Afghanistan though, something Afghanistan desperately needs for the good of its own people....), and if one should be built in the future, Unocal will have nothing to do with it (it's of course perfectly rational for Afghanistan to want a pipeline...).
For two, the idea that America would invade Afghanistan for one pipeline is on its face an absurd and simplistic view of U.S. foreign policy. But I don't even need to make this point, since the facts show Unocal's consideration of a pipeline was entirely a Clinton-era thing, which was dropped, and Unocal has no plans or desire to build one anymore.
> As dumb as I think George Bush is, I have to believe that the man can hold
> more than one idea in his head.
He couldn't have been holding the idea of a Unocal pipeline in his head, as Unocal dropped that idea in 1998, before Bush took office, and have not returned to that idea since. I think maybe if I repeat reality enough to you it'll sink in? Or do you simply want to believe in Michael Moore's worldview and distorting innuendo far too much?
As for holding more than one idea in one's head, I might ask you the same question. One could hold these two ideas: Bush is a bad president, and Michael Moore is a fat ignoramous who makes distorting, deceptive, ridiculous propaganda films. If you're gonna hold up Fahrenheit 9/11 as something I should respect, well then I dismiss all of your claims to be anti-propaganda and pro-truth. You're about as respectable as someone who thinks Ann Coulter is the greatest political mind of our time and that the right wing propganda video The Clinton Chronicles was a great documentary of the 1990s. Look in the mirror if you dare......
>You can't even mention WMDs to a
> republican without hearing that it was "one of many reasons to invade
> Iraq." Fine, then why is it so hard to believe that Unocal was one of
> the many reasons to invade Afghanistan?
Because Unocal dropped the pipeline in 1998 and hasn't returned to it since....
> And I'm not sure why you keep mentioning the fact that Unocal dropped the
> pipeline in 1998. By that logic, the fact that Morrissey was dropped from
> his label in 1998 proves that this "You Are The Quarry" album
> that we have been hearing about is pure propaganda from the left.
I keep returning to it because, as a matter of FACT, Unocal does not want to build a pipeline in Afghanistan. Call me crazy, but I don't see how Bush could've invaded Afghanistan for a Unocal pipeline when Unocal does not want to build a pipeline.....
> I could say more, but you get the general idea.
You can keep on believing we toppled the Taliban for Unocal. Do let me know when Unocal builds this pipeline. I happen to think 9/11 was the reason America invaded Afghanistan, but then I'm one of those silly people with a grip on reality.....
PRESS RELEASE FROM UNOCAL:
Controversial new movie repeats old and false allegations about Unocal
El Segundo, Calif., June 30, 2004 -- In his new movie, Fahrenheit 9/11, Michael Moore reviews the Bush administration’s publicly stated rationale for the war against terrorism in Afghanistan – it was part of the U.S. response to the attacks of September 11, 2001 – and then suggests that the real reason for the war was, at least in part, to enable Unocal to proceed with a natural gas pipeline project in Afghanistan and for other U.S. energy and oil-service companies to participate in various projects in that country.
Unocal has absolutely no intention of participating in an Afghanistan pipeline project nor are we in discussions with any parties about doing so. We had no “understanding” with the Bush Administration that once U.S. military forces removed the Taliban from power we would proceed with such a project. Further, Hamid Karzai, the president of Afghanistan, was never a consultant or adviser to Unocal, as Moore erroneously asserts.
During the mid-1990s, a Unocal subsidiary joined a consortium that proposed to build a natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan. Negotiations concerning this project proposal were never concluded with representatives of these governments and no construction ever began.
In August 1998, Unocal ended its active participation in the proposed project, a full three years before the terrorist attacks of September 11, and nearly four years before the U.S. action in Afghanistan. The company formally withdrew from the project consortium in December 1998 (see news release). Our withdrawal from this business consortium was made on a commercial basis and has not been reconsidered.
http://www.unocal.com/uclnews/2004news/063004.htm
ractically all US media) propaganda emanating elsewhere versus one 2 hour film???