'I feel like I've been had': Morrissey's collaborators respond to his politics - The Guardian

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'I feel like I've been had': Morrissey's collaborators respond to his politics - The Guardian
The former Smiths singer’s new album features guest spots from Billie Joe Armstrong and Grizzly Bear’s Ed Droste. Are they not put off by his increasingly unpleasant right-wing stance?

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As US music magazine the Fader asked: “What possible reason could any of these people have for lining up behind Morrissey now?”

Droste declined to comment. The only artist willing to speak with the Guardian was Canadian vocalist Ariel Engle, who performs with cult indie outfit Broken Social Scene. She received a call from the American producer Joe Chiccarelli asking her to contribute backing vocals for a cover of Joni Mitchell’s Don’t Interrupt the Sorrow. “I thought, ‘Oh the Smiths, sure’,” she says. “It was $500 for two hours’ work.”

Engle says she didn’t become aware of Morrissey’s political views until the album was announced and a friend emailed to question her involvement. “It’s a very weak argument to claim ignorance,” she says, “but it is my argument. It’s not an excuse but it happens to be the truth.”

Morrissey’s manager, Peter Katsis, says he is unaware of statements made by any guest vocalists, but that the intention of the covers album was supposed to be fun. “This is where his head is at,” he says. “Maybe enough has been said with the last few albums being political.” Of Morrissey’s political views, Katsis says: “I manage his artistic career and sometimes I have to deal with things he says, but it’s not for me to comment.”

Chiccarelli echoes Katsis’s sentiment. “I can’t speak to Moz’s politics,” he says. “I’m a record-maker. I’ve known him 10 years and he’s been a gentleman and a pleasure. I consider him a friend.” When asked about the far-right figures for whom Morrissey has expressed support, Chiccarelli says: “I’d really have to research it and see if it crossed a particular line for me.”

Engle says that learning of Morrissey’s political opinions has left a “bad taste”, and that she stands in opposition to his views. “The inflammatory things he says are not my politics. I think he’s completely out of line. I grew up around multiculturalism and I am the product of multiculturalism and immigration. I feel like I’ve been had, but it’s my fault.”

The American singer LP offered a statement through a PR representative: “As I’m a huge fan of his music and poetry, I was honoured to be asked to collaborate on the album.” Representatives for Lydia Night of California band the Regrettes offered no comment, but the 18-year-old told punk magazine Kerrang!: “I’ve grown up loving the Smiths – my cat’s name is Morrissey!” Representatives for Armstrong said he was in the studio and therefore unreachable.

The guest stars on California Son are all North American, suggesting a difference between perceptions of the former Smiths frontman in the US and UK. Katsis, who is American, sees the critical focus on Morrissey’s politics as a British preoccupation.

“I don’t think they know enough about it to care about it,” he says of Morrissey’s US fans. “I don’t feel knowledgable enough to comment on British politics, therefore it’s probably not as important to me or the international fans as it is to UK fans. This whole thing has had me perplexed. The subjects are very complicated and dividing.”

The figures bear out Morrissey’s enduring support across the Atlantic. He ended 2018 with arena shows in North and South America, and has announced his first Canadian tour in 20 years for this April. In November 2017, Los Angeles City Council declared 10 November “Morrissey Day”.

“In America, he tends to be seen as the rock star who sang about queer life and spoke openly about feminism when nobody else did,” says Rolling Stone critic Rob Sheffield. “These two images define him, and he’s still seen in terms of his pioneering place in history. His grumpy old age is not really held against him. Americans tend not to follow UK politics very closely, so when he makes mind-blowingly offensive statements there might be outrage or humiliation for a few days, or hours, but then it’s back to listening to The Queen Is Dead”.



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Vegan Cro’s parents regret the condom splitting
For a great cause,


But were they really chimes? If so that person who paid 500 for them is going to feel had .....



‘according to Steve in Simon Reynold's 'Totally Wired' book they actually used a tambourine plus effects to get that sound, despite what some people would have you believe.

From the book...


Quote:
That is a tambourine, balanced on a pair of scissors and put through effects. There was an AMS delay - it fed back into itself - and then it's just me going 'ping'. And the rest of it is a box going round and round on a delay.’

Don't know Ketamine - this is the link to the item along with confirmation of the sale price. It sounds like chimes on the record at 1min 25. Steve has his autobiography coming out soon, maybe that will clear it up?

Definitely not on earlier versions when the song was called Chance!


https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/m/lot-details/index/catalog/34/lot/5563?url=/m/view-auctions/catalog/id/34?page=2
 

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Don't know Ketamine - this is the link to the item along with confirmation of the sale price. It sounds like chimes on the record at 1min 25. Steve has his autobiography coming out soon, maybe that will clear it up?

Definitely not on earlier versions when the song was called Chance!


https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/m/lot-details/index/catalog/34/lot/5563?url=/m/view-auctions/catalog/id/34?page=2

But it is Steve that told Reynolds that a tambourine with effects were used and not chimes. Feel sorry for the buyer of those chimes.

£500 or more !!! Talk about being had!

Maybe they should have gotten Madasun to ‘authenticate’ them first. :lbf:
 

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Vegan Cro’s parents regret the condom splitting
But it is Steve that told Reynolds that a tambourine with effects were used and not chimes. Feel sorry for the buyer of those chimes.

£500 !!! Talk about being had!

Maybe they should have gotten Madasun to ‘authenticate’ them first. :lbf:

I have no idea, maybe Steve was wrong but he isn't normally, maybe they were in the studio and used on an earlier version and Steve and Hannett changed it later.

I thought with Omega, everything had to be authenticated, I'm sure he can get his money back if he/she is unsure as he/she actually paid £5800 for them.

BTW, somebody paid £21000 for a flight case??
 
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BTW, somebody paid £21000 for a flight case??[/QUOTE]

They did, they were in the room bidding against someone on the internet, they got a round of applause when they secured the case. One chap sitting in front of us bought probably a dozen or so items, his bill would of been far greater than the bill for the flight case.
 
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Hooky fans are major twats, they probably are shaking the stupid chimes while their funds are being cashed.
doh:

what a major catastrophe for the poor wretches.:whip:
 

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Vegan Cro’s parents regret the condom splitting
BTW, somebody paid £21000 for a flight case??

They did, they were in the room bidding against someone on the internet, they got a round of applause when they secured the case. One chap sitting in front of us bought probably a dozen or so items, his bill would of been far greater than the bill for the flight case.[/QUOTE]

And £7000 for his leather jacket. Do you think some of the buyers were corporate eg Hard Rock Cafe?
 
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BTW, somebody paid £21000 for a flight case??

They did, they were in the room bidding against someone on the internet, they got a round of applause when they secured the case. One chap sitting in front of us bought probably a dozen or so items, his bill would of been far greater than the bill for the flight case.[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:
Ok Hooky.
why bother buying these baubles, just sign all your wordly goods over to Hooky here.o_O
everyone probably clapped up a storm when the one mark bought the chimes.:straightface:
 

Alexi

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They did, they were in the room bidding against someone on the internet, they got a round of applause when they secured the case. One chap sitting in front of us bought probably a dozen or so items, his bill would of been far greater than the bill for the flight case.

And £7000 for his leather jacket. Do you think some of the buyers were corporate eg Hard Rock Cafe?[/QUOTE]
The chap who bought the jacket was sat next to us, he was with, I presume, his teenage son, definitely not corporate ! He bought something else too but I can’t remember what it was now. He bid for several items early on but was unlucky with them.
 

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Yes, very strange unless the buyer knows something we don’t?

Jesus I hope so. That’s an insane amount money for chimes, even if they were used on a classic song. Maybe if it was the synthesizer or the exact mic that Ian sang into on that song, maybe then I could understand the price, but chimes?
 
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let me go ahead and authenticate the pots and pans in Hooky cupboard as being used as percussion instruments in demo tracks for the song....wtf you pick the song:lbf: so you Hooky twats feel free to bid 100 000 quid for each
:rofl:
 
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I think there needs to be a new term defined, where you are racist but you don't make a big song and dance about it. There are child molesters, fraudsters and cranks. I don't think racism, as heinous as it is, fits into that category. We need to coin a new term for not being comfortable with outsiders other than an 'ism' ill call it 'insuralism'

Wow !
“Outsiders”
Unbelievable full stop.
I like to think we’re all Brothers and Sisters who share the same planet.
It’s a much better way to think :thumb:

Benny-the-British-Butcher :greatbritain::knife:

Troll x15

Wanker x 6
 

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But it is Steve that told Reynolds that a tambourine with effects were used and not chimes. Feel sorry for the buyer of those chimes.

£500 or more !!! Talk about being had!

Maybe they should have gotten Madasun to ‘authenticate’ them first. :lbf:
I have a tuba that was used on the unreleased version of Every Day Is Like Sunday. You can have it if you pay shipping.
 

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Racism is natural. That's what reel was getting at with the animals. You're either intentionally punching a straw man or you're too dim to understand what she was saying. I wouldn't call you dim for having a different opinion, but "Racism is okay because animals notice colors" obviously a gross oversimplificaton.

Everyone is instinctively racist. I agree. You disagree. Why?
You could've just downvoted the post if you're not going to argue against it. "WTFF" isn't a rebuttal.

Animals notice colors, therefore racism is natural?

And racism being natural, supposedly, is an argument for its correctness?

Please mention how the two above arguments follow.
 
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Animals notice colors, therefore racism is natural?

And racism being natural, supposedly, is an argument for its correctness?

Please mention how the two above arguments follow.
People notice patterns. That's innate. If you notice there's been a lot of crime done by a certain group, your first instinct would be to draw back if a member of that group walked by you. Of course, when that wears off, you might feel shame, but racism is an instinct. When all of the stories came out about pitbulls killing their owners, many shelters were filled with a disproportionate amount of Pitbulls.
Now, about it being correct... I think it's correct to notice patterns but incorrect to treat people differently accordingly. I think everyone should be introduced as an individual person with individual views and interests rather than just a member of a group.
At the same time, I think the higher-ups should acknowledge these patterns, because that's the only way to end them.
Did that answer your questions?
Also, apologies for being a bit of a knob in the other post.
 

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People notice patterns. That's innate. If you notice there's been a lot of crime done by a certain group, your first instinct would be to draw back if a member of that group walked by you. Of course, when that wears off, you might feel shame, but racism is an instinct. When all of the stories came out about pitbulls killing their owners, many shelters were filled with a disproportionate amount of Pitbulls.
Now, about it being correct... I think it's correct to notice patterns but incorrect to treat people differently accordingly. I think everyone should be introduced as an individual person with individual views and interests rather than just a member of a group.
At the same time, I think the higher-ups should acknowledge these patterns, because that's the only way to end them.
Did that answer your questions?
Also, apologies for being a bit of a knob in the other post.

doh:

That’s a part of ones survival instinct. Racism is not instinctual.

Case closed.
 
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