PregnantForTheLastTime
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Conception? Or delivery? A human mother's milk quality begins to decrease when she conceives again, as her body channels nutrients to the new fetus.
If Meat is Murder, what is Milk?
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Conception? Or delivery? A human mother's milk quality begins to decrease when she conceives again, as her body channels nutrients to the new fetus.
It's a sexual act, I don't think *that*'s under dispute. But as I said, I think most people believe the word has a moral force which means it is only applicable to the human case, and that is also the definition which is found on statute books worldwide.
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i meant delivery.
Er... what?
PregnantForTheLastTime
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Rape is a crime because humans have imbued the sex act with loads of additional meaning. We've made the bits between a woman's legs into a very big deal. Animals don't seem to share this reverence. I doubt the cow is traumatized by being inseminated. She's probably more like, "ooh! Hey, what the?" The part I have an ethical problem with is removing her calf. But I am a mother so I have a bias. You can hurt me however you like, just don't hurt my kids or keep me from them.
why do we need to increase the number of pigs in our forests? when the living environment of a species no longer exists that species gets extinct. millions of species have gone extinct - that's evolution. why are meat eaters now concerned over the extinction of animals that can only survive in a factory bunker? it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
I can hardly believe this argument isn't a joke.
there is no need for "souls" to realize that these factory farmed species who live miserabel lives are better of not living miserable SHORT lives, (short because there NOT here to live lives but to be slaughtered at an early age after they have served their purpose, whatever that may be - laying eggs, giving milk)
That's mostly correct; but it's also worth pointing out that not only have humans 'imbued the sex act with lots of additional meaning', cows are simply incapable of imbuing meaning by their very nature.
PregnantForTheLastTime
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We took the pigs out the forests and put them into factories, changing them irreparably in the process. The extinction is our doing, too. Net loss for the earth. To my way of thinking, the appropriate atonement would be to restore native animal populations to whatever's left of their natural environment. How is that an invalid argument?
And I still think the presence or absence of a soul matters- if the animals are just reactive creatures without any higher order thought, it's harder to defend their rights. I certainly don't have any problems killing bacteria and virii by spraying down my countertops or cleaning my bathrooms. But as soon as a creature has big soft eyes, it's harder to draw a line between their right to exist and ours.
I deeply respect the good intentions of the animal rights movement, but seriously. Humans don't even treat other humans humanely. You expect them to care about animals too? That's a very tall order. We are only sick animals ourselves, with just enough knowledge to be very dangerous. The best thing God or nature could do for our planet is to eradicate humans. Morrissey and all.
And I still think the presence or absence of a soul matters- if the animals are just reactive creatures without any higher order thought, it's harder to defend their rights. I certainly don't have any problems killing bacteria and virii by spraying down my countertops or cleaning my bathrooms. But as soon as a creature has big soft eyes, it's harder to draw a line between their right to exist and ours.
I deeply respect the good intentions of the animal rights movement, but seriously. Humans don't even treat other humans humanely. You expect them to care about animals too? That's a very tall order. We are only sick animals ourselves, with just enough knowledge to be very dangerous. The best thing God or nature could do for our planet is to eradicate humans. Morrissey and all.
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Just wait and see. People as such have existed for only a mere fraction of a second in the day of the earth. And we're aiding the keeping of the natural balance very well. People will be wiped out - most certainly by themselves.
As for the differences between animals and humans - it's just speciesism. And it obviously is wrong. If you are not capable to understand them, it does not mean they are only for your pleasure.
And pathos argument requires a pathos counterargument: do you know that dolphins use names?
Well I certainly hope you aren't speciesist towards carrots and potatoes either!
PregnantForTheLastTime
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We are aiding the keeping of the natural balance very well? Huh? We've totally f***ed the natural balance of the earth. The only way you can excuse the scars humans have put on the earth is to completely ignore our supposed free will and just consider us animals. I believe that since we have the ability to understand the whole system we should be more careful not to totally ruin it.
Humans generally do not eat animals they consider to be intelligent. Most people, even the most rabid meat eaters, would never eat a dolphin or whale, nor any other primate, nor cats or dogs. There are cultural exceptions, of course.
I knew a man who was a vegan, in training to become a veterinarian. He was hired to do some handyman work and was asked to trim some brush at the back of the property. He quit. He explained that the plants didn't ask to be cut and weren't hurting anything, and so therefore he couldn't do it in good conscience.
I still wonder what that guy eats now. There's nothing left.
dislocate my shoulder
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Well I certainly hope you aren't speciesist towards carrots and potatoes either!
No, I am tolerant to animals and carrots and potatoes.
I think the problem also is that such organizations like PETA misuse the image of animals as cuddly, funny and lovable. In reality they can stink, they can bite and some would eat you alive with pleasure. Nonetheless it does not mean that they have to be abused or forced to slavery. Just a matter of respect for the fellow earthlings.
No, I am tolerant to carrots and potatoes.
If you kill them for food, I wouldn't call that being very tolerant, by your own logic.
You wouldn't kill a human for food, would you?
But you'd kill a vegetable for food?? How speciesist!
PregnantForTheLastTime
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The only ethical solution is Soylent Green.
dislocate my shoulder
Occasionally.
I believe you misunderstood what I meant by natural balance. Balance for me also is that even when you supposedly try to change something for the better, it still affects in unpredictable ways. One species is gone, another one flourishes. Prevailing chemical element gives way to another. It's a closed system and it controls itself.
As for your acquaintance, so he can survive on the fruits that fall down by themselves from the plants. I don't brake branches, cut grass or pick flowers either.
dislocate my shoulder
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Ok so... plants are living but it's okay to eat them as long as you respect them.
What about jellyfish? http://www.marketmanila.com/archives/jellyfish
Or worms? (also edible)
Where do we draw the line, and why?
Is a plant's life much less worthy than a jellyfish, for example?
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