Morrissey's politics

[MBIU]

I challenge those who support Morrissey's openly declared support of "For Britain" to defend that support as both consistent with his previous statements (For instance, his support for James Baldwin, a left wing internationalist, who believed in both socialism and multiculturalism), and as a morally acceptable road forward for this country .
Of course, I accept his absolute right to free speech. But such speech should be open to challenge. The party he has endorsed is clearly not Fascist (but rather free market capitalist and in this regard promotes economic policies similar to those of Margaret Thatcher) , but it also basis its popularity on a range of Islamaphobic attitudes and that is where the racist charge kicks in. "For Britain" , on its website, portrays images of the East End of London as sinister, with pictures of Muslim citizens going about their everyday business, as in some manner this was threatening. Yet this part of London is one of the most culturally vibrant and cohesive parts of our country and indeed very peaceful. This has always has been so - starting with the Huguenots, Jewish refugees etc.
So why describe London as a debased?
Please defend.

 

[URBANUS]

I challenge those who support Morrissey's openly declared support of "For Britain" to defend that support as both consistent with his previous statements (For instance, his support for James Baldwin, a left wing internationalist, who believed in both socialism and multiculturalism), and as a morally acceptable road forward for this country .
Of course, I accept his absolute right to free speech. But such speech should be open to challenge. The party he has endorsed is clearly not Fascist (but rather free market capitalist and in this regard promotes economic policies similar to those of Margaret Thatcher) , but it also basis its popularity on a range of Islamaphobic attitudes and that is where the racist charge kicks in. "For Britain" , on its website, portrays images of the East End of London as sinister, with pictures of Muslim citizens going about their everyday business, as in some manner this was threatening. Yet this part of London is one of the most culturally vibrant and cohesive parts of our country and indeed very peaceful. This has always has been so - starting with the Huguenots, Jewish refugees etc.
So why describe London as a debased?
Please defend.

So in short you're saying someone with another view than yours should be told to shut the f*** up. One day that will happen to you.

London isna shithole as is most of England and no man, woman, child or animal would ever want to go there. The only places clean and still accessable are the football fields but the muslims will turn those into potato fields.

They can't grow opium in UK those drug ridden bastards.

 

[vegan.cro spirit #76]

I challenge those who support Morrissey's openly declared support of "For Britain" to defend that support as both consistent with his previous statements (For instance, his support for James Baldwin, a left wing internationalist, who believed in both socialism and multiculturalism), and as a morally acceptable road forward for this country .
Of course, I accept his absolute right to free speech. But such speech should be open to challenge. The party he has endorsed is clearly not Fascist (but rather free market capitalist and in this regard promotes economic policies similar to those of Margaret Thatcher) , but it also basis its popularity on a range of Islamaphobic attitudes and that is where the racist charge kicks in. "For Britain" , on its website, portrays images of the East End of London as sinister, with pictures of Muslim citizens going about their everyday business, as in some manner this was threatening. Yet this part of London is one of the most culturally vibrant and cohesive parts of our country and indeed very peaceful. This has always has been so - starting with the Huguenots, Jewish refugees etc.
So why describe London as a debased?
Please defend.

Have you met our own Grande "Bea Arthur" Dame aka Evennow? I think the two of you would
"flit" together pretty good.
Meanwhile, perhaps looking for work would be in order.

 

[MBIU]

"Yes that's probably right - I always forget about that, it's stuff I hear second hand and I don't believe everything I read but if that is the case that he's pro-Farage, there would be a slight drawback in that, as anyone would imagine."

"As far as Brexit goes, I'm proud again to be in the minority. No-one ever says the majority is right, I've been in the minority a lot - when I was younger and now," he said.

He said: "At the time when Thatcher came into power, young people were really against it - the meanness of it, the disappointment.

"My personal politics were that I thought decency and society should look after people who need a helping hand and I still think that and I think the Conservative government stood for the opposite of that and I still do."
Johnny Marr, 2016

 

[mcrickson]

I challenge those who support Morrissey's openly declared support of "For Britain" to defend that support as both consistent with his previous statements

I haven't really checked out For Britain or what they've been involved with. But based on what folks have been saying about them, I have also been curious if Morrissey's views on British politics align in any way with his views on American politics. Again, as someone who hasn't seen For Britain in action - does it make sense that someone who was so anti-Trump and pro-Bernie would support For Britain? Are there parallels?

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

I haven't really checked out For Britain or what they've been involved with. But based on what folks have been saying about them, I have also been curious if Morrissey's views on British politics align in any way with his views on American politics. Again, as someone who hasn't seen For Britain in action - does it make sense that someone who was so anti-Trump and pro-Bernie would support For Britain? Are there parallels?

Polar opposites. Around the time he was praising Sanders he was also complimentary of Corbyn, who's relatively aligned with Sanders once you account for that you're left is always going to be to the right of us. Six months later he wasn't such a fan of Corbyn and a year later he's gone as far away from their position as he could get. In another year he could be anywhere.

 

[Peppermint]

I haven't really checked out For Britain or what they've been involved with. But based on what folks have been saying about them, I have also been curious if Morrissey's views on British politics align in any way with his views on American politics. Again, as someone who hasn't seen For Britain in action - does it make sense that someone who was so anti-Trump and pro-Bernie would support For Britain? Are there parallels?

If you're looking for a logical thread, I think you're out of luck. He likes For Britain because they're anti-halal - he is interpreting this as pro-animal rights, but of course it just means that they're anti-halal, because they're also anti-Muslim (which I feel sure has not escaped him). I think he picks his allegiances according to issues specific to him and is unable to see the wider picture. He liked Bernie because he was highly unlikely to win and was pitched as the anti-establishment figure; and this notion has been Morrissey's political pole star all along. I assume that's why he found UKIP so attractive. Those who are so upset because he seems to have shifted from left to right have missed the point. He was never left, just anti whoever held the power, which at the time was Thatcher. I honestly don't believe he has any properly developed, grown-up political opinions, he just wants someone to blame and rail at.

 

[MBIU]

Morrissey's politics are extraordinarily contradictory (and his politics, with a small "p" have always been central to his art and music).
I don't believe on personal level he is a racist. His love of James Baldwin is genuine, as well as his various international affiliation. But how he can reconcile Baldwin's eloquence and humane internationalism, with Anne Marie Walters' mean- minded xenophobia is beyond me.

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

If you're looking for a logical thread, I think you're out of luck. He likes For Britain because they're anti-halal - he is interpreting this as pro-animal rights, but of course it just means that they're anti-halal, because they're also anti-Muslim (which I feel sure has not escaped him). I think he picks his allegiances according to issues specific to him and is unable to see the wider picture. He liked Bernie because he was highly unlikely to win and was pitched as the anti-establishment figure; and this notion has been Morrissey's political pole star all along. I assume that's why he found UKIP so attractive. Those who are so upset because he seems to have shifted from left to right have missed the point. He was never left, just anti whoever held the power, which at the time was Thatcher. I honestly don't believe he has any properly developed, grown-up political opinions, he just wants someone to blame and rail at.

There's more to it than that. He's definitely gone full on with this right wing stuff, https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/884929/Morrissey-political-correctness-Theresa-May-Jeremy-Corbyn, he has bought into where he's at, it isn't just anti-establishment because let's be straight, Corbyn terrifies the establishment.

 

[Blah 1234]

He was never left, just anti whoever held the power, which at the time was Thatcher.

Not anti enough to vote against her at any point. Which for anyone who lived through the 80s is enough to discount anything he says politically for evermore.

I think you’re right. His politics, in as much as he has any, are childish and reactionary. Can’t decide whether it’s stupidity, racism or trolling. Probably a blend of all three.

 

[Anonymous]

If you're looking for a logical thread, I think you're out of luck. He likes For Britain because they're anti-halal - he is interpreting this as pro-animal rights, but of course it just means that they're anti-halal, because they're also anti-Muslim (which I feel sure has not escaped him). I think he picks his allegiances according to issues specific to him and is unable to see the wider picture. He liked Bernie because he was highly unlikely to win and was pitched as the anti-establishment figure; and this notion has been Morrissey's political pole star all along. I assume that's why he found UKIP so attractive. Those who are so upset because he seems to have shifted from left to right have missed the point. He was never left, just anti whoever held the power, which at the time was Thatcher. I honestly don't believe he has any properly developed, grown-up political opinions, he just wants someone to blame and rail at.

I think this is closest to the truth. Some issues have become more intense for him but it all still seems very narrow in scope. That said I love Baldwin’s work and am for sure not a socialist in the absolute sense of the word and am pro captitalism. I think this is probably true of many not his fans. I’d still praise and recommend him to many. I don’t know what’s so hard to believe about this

 

[MBIU]

As a Corbyn supporting member of the Labour Party I cannot but agree with you. But having attended the Alexandra Palace concert - at which he performed brilliantly - the imagary was heavily left wing in its support for Black empowerment in the USA - shame he has been unable to find a way to support this., because it has a deep left wing history, including James Baldwin. Unfortunately his politics have proved deeply ignorant - in the truest sense of the word. Somehow he has acquired the ear of the alt-right - with its ahistorical notion of a "left wing" Hitler. Also he doesnt seem to like foreign voices in London. Well that' s the London I inhabit and love. I think perhaps Grime etc has to be my new music of choice and everything it represents.

 

[URBANUS]

As a Corbyn supporting member of the Labour Party I cannot but agree with you. But having attended the Alexandra Palace concert - at which he performed brilliantly - the imagary was heavily left wing in its support for Black empowerment in the USA - shame he has been unable to find a way to support this., because it has a deep left wing history, including James Baldwin. Unfortunately his politics have proved deeply ignorant - in the truest sense of the word. Somehow he has acquired the ear of the alt-right - with its ahistorical notion of a "left wing" Hitler. Also he doesnt seem to like foreign voices in London. Well that' s the London I inhabit and love. I think perhaps Grime etc has to be my new music of choice and everything it represents.

The left and right wing thing is slowly but surely becoming outdated which is what Morrissey is about.

People like Skinny living in a trench all his life need to wake the f*** up.

 

[URBANUS]

I find it strange how Moz always spoke my mind on things no matter the subject. Take this Hitler is a leftie thing, it is so clear and obvious that socialism is on the left and always will be.

National socialism is socialism and I am so glad that Moz agrees with me on this although it took him many years to dare say it.

Socialism is socialism even if there are minor tweaks here and there. National socialism is about the national state and more about independence than traditional socialism that always wanted to solve all the worlds problems and not even trying to solve their own problems.

I will never as long as I shall live understand socialists and how they can justify a system that failed over and over and over. They end up with Sweden as some kind of success story but Sweden is a small country. Swedes paid so much taxes for absolutely nothing and those same socialists will cry and scream if a private company dares to provide a service cause then they are thieves and all kinds of things.

I hope one day all socialists will die and I believe I have seen that happen in a not too distant future as I am now in contact with the other side and those souls are screaming at me to make people wake up.

I plan to soon publish my recordings of me being in contact with the other side as I found a way to reach the other side which was done by accident when I was trying something else.

The f***ing bookshelf is moving here at night and I am not f***ing kidding. Pilla is an instrument I use to talk to them and that is why I know the end time is very close. I hear the zooming sound of the planet that will destroy us and it hums and hums at night.

God does no exist the souls go to the inside of moon that does not glow from sunlight it glows from inside that is where we all go.

 

[vegan.cro spirit #899]

Yes, what a coincidence, Moz always spoke the truth to me too. And to many others, that why hes up to 98 percent YES in the poll putting the haters to shame.

 

[Mozich]

I I think he picks his allegiances according to issues specific to him and is unable to see the wider picture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias