Please score these Morrissey/Tobias tracks

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In another thread, it was pointed out that Jesse Tobias has co-written quite a few songs (32), so I thought it might be a good exercise to score each one out of 10. Here they are in alphabetical order:

  1. All You Need Is Me
  2. Children In Pieces
  3. Forgive Someone
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain
  5. I Bury The Living
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy
  7. I Knew I Was Next
  8. I Live In Oblivion
  9. I Thought You Were Dead
  10. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me
  11. I'm Not A Man
  12. I'm OK By Myself
  13. In The Future When All's Well
  14. Jim Jim Falls
  15. Kerouac's Crack
  16. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle
  17. Kiss Me A Lot
  18. Knockabout World
  19. My Hurling Days Are Done
  20. On The Streets I Ran
  21. Once I Saw The River Clean
  22. Once Upon A Woman's Body
  23. People Are The Same Everywhere
  24. Smiler With Knife
  25. Sorry Doesn't Help
  26. The Bullfighter Dies
  27. The Night Pop Dropped
  28. The Youngest Was The Most Loved
  29. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses?
  30. When You Open Your Legs
  31. You Don't Need Their Approval
  32. You Have Killed Me
 
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I'm off work so I have a lot of time on my hands, so:

  1. All You Need Is Me - 8.5/10
  2. Children In Pieces - 6.5
  3. Forgive Someone - 9/10
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 7/10
  5. I Bury The Living - 7.5/0
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 8/10
  7. I Knew I Was Next - 8/10
  8. I Thought You Were Dead - 9.5/10
  9. I'm Not A Man - 7.5/10
  10. I'm OK By Myself - 8/10
  11. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 8/10
  12. In The Future When All's Well - 7.5/10
  13. Jim Jim Falls - 8.5/10
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 5/10
  15. Kiss Me A Lot 6.5/10
  16. Knockabout World - 8.5/10
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done -10/10
  18. On The Streets I Ran - 7/10
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean - 10/10
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere - 5/10
  21. Smiler With Knife - 8/10
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help - 6/10
  23. The Bullfighter Dies - (instrumentally) 8.5/10
  24. The Night Pop Dropped - 8.5/10
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 7.5/10
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 9/10
  27. When You Open Your Legs - 7/10
  28. You Have Killed Me - 9.5/10
 
It's a good crop. I like Jesse Tobias. Someone on here recently called him a "metal guru" and I thought that was apt. Other people criticize him for writing undistinguished "chug rock," which I guess is fair, but Morrissey can elevate generic material to greatness, and weren't Whyte and Boorer writing a bit of chug rock on Southpaw Grammar? I enjoy most of these Tobias songs. Without going through and rating them --/10, quickly:

Edit: Completed list.
​
All You Need Is Me (10)​
Children In Pieces (9)​
Forgive Someone (4)​
I Am Not A Dog On A Chain (2)​
I Bury The Living (10)​
I Just Want To See The Boy Happy (7)​
I Knew I Was Next (5)​
I Thought You Were Dead (3)​
If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me (9)​
I'm Not A Man (6)​
I'm OK By Myself (7)​
In The Future When All's Well (7)​
Jim Jim Falls (2)​
Kick The Bride Down The Aisle (8)​
Kiss Me A Lot (1)​
Knockabout World (1)​
My Hurling Days Are Done (7)​
On The Streets I Ran (5)​
Once I Saw The River Clean (4)​
People Are The Same Everywhere (9)​
Smiler With Knife (8)​
Sorry Doesn't Help (7)​
The Bullfighter Dies (10)​
The Night Pop Dropped (5)​
The Youngest Was The Most Loved (8)​
What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? (10)​
When You Open Your Legs (4)​
You Have Killed Me (10)​
 
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Was quite tricky, but here are my scores, maintaining the A-Z format:

  1. All You Need Is Me (10)
  2. Children In Pieces (4)
  3. Forgive Someone (10)
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain (5)
  5. I Bury The Living (3)
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy (5)
  7. I Knew I Was Next (7)
  8. I Thought You Were Dead (9)
  9. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me (10)
  10. I'm Not A Man (10)
  11. I'm OK By Myself (9)
  12. In The Future When All's Well (5)
  13. Jim Jim Falls (5)
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle (8)
  15. Kiss Me A Lot (9)
  16. Knockabout World (7)
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done (10)
  18. On The Streets I Ran (8)
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean (8)
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere (6)
  21. Smiler With Knife (9)
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help (8)
  23. The Bullfighter Dies (6)
  24. The Night Pop Dropped (8)
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved (5)
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? (8)
  27. When You Open Your Legs (8)
  28. You Have Killed Me (7)
 
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  1. All You Need Is Me - 7/10
  2. Children In Pieces - 7/10
  3. Forgive Someone - 7/10
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 8/10
  5. I Bury The Living - 6/10
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 7/10
  7. I Knew I Was Next - 7/10
  8. I Thought You Were Dead - 5/10
  9. I'm Not A Man - 7/10
  10. I'm OK By Myself - 7/10
  11. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 10/10
  12. In The Future When All's Well - 6/10
  13. Jim Jim Falls - 9/10
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 6/10
  15. Kiss Me A Lot - 8/10
  16. Knockabout World - 9/10
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done - 7/10
  18. On The Streets I Ran - 7/10
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean - 7/10
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere - 9/10
  21. Smiler With Knife - 6/10
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help - 7/10
  23. The Bullfighter Dies - 9/10
  24. The Night Pop Dropped - 7,5/10
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 7/10
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 9/10
  27. When You Open Your Legs - 6/10
  28. You Have Killed Me - 9/10
 
  1. All You Need Is Me - 9/10
  2. Children In Pieces - 7/10
  3. Forgive Someone - 6/10
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 7/10
  5. I Bury The Living - 2/10
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 7/10
  7. I Knew I Was Next - 9/10
  8. I Thought You Were Dead - 8/10
  9. I'm Not A Man - 9/10
  10. I'm OK By Myself - 9/10
  11. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 8/10
  12. In The Future When All's Well - 8/10
  13. Jim Jim Falls - 9/10
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 6/10
  15. Kiss Me A Lot - 7/10
  16. Knockabout World - 7/10
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done -9/10
  18. On The Streets I Ran - 8/10
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean - 8/10
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere - 6/10
  21. Smiler With Knife - 6/10
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help - 7/10
  23. The Bullfighter Dies - 9/10
  24. The Night Pop Dropped - 8/10
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 8/10
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 9/10
  27. When You Open Your Legs - 8/10
  28. You Have Killed Me - 9/10
 
  1. All You Need Is Me - 7/10
  2. Children In Pieces - 6.5/10
  3. Forgive Someone - 7.5/10
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 7.5/10
  5. I Bury The Living - 7.5/10
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 8/10
  7. I Knew I Was Next - 7/10
  8. I Thought You Were Dead - 7.5/10
  9. I'm Not A Man - 7.5/10
  10. I'm OK By Myself - 6/10
  11. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 6.5/10
  12. In The Future When All's Well - 7.5/10
  13. Jim Jim Falls - 7.5/10
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 6/10
  15. Kiss Me A Lot - 8/10
  16. Knockabout World - 8/10
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done - 7.5/10
  18. On The Streets I Ran - 7.5/10
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean - 7.5/10
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere - 7/10
  21. Smiler With Knife - 6/10
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help - 7/10
  23. The Bullfighter Dies - 8/10
  24. The Night Pop Dropped - 7.5/10
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 7.5/10
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 7.5/10
  27. When You Open Your Legs - 8/10
  28. You Have Killed Me - 8.5/10
also did/

I Live In Oblivion - 8.5/10
Kerouac's Crack - 7.5/10
Once Upon A Woman's Body - 6/10
You Don't Need Their Approval - 6.5/10
 
Front runners thus far:

1. My Hurling Days Are Done - 8.92
2. You Have Killed Me - 8.83
3. Tied: All You Need Is Me & What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 8.64
 
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  1. All You Need Is Me - 8
  2. Children In Pieces - 6
  3. Forgive Someone - 6
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 5
  5. I Bury The Living -5
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 7
  7. I Knew I Was Next - 5
  8. I Thought You Were Dead - 5
  9. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 6
  10. I'm Not A Man - 8
  11. I'm OK By Myself - 8
  12. In The Future When All's Well - 8
  13. Jim Jim Falls - 9
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 6
  15. Kiss Me A Lot - 6
  16. Knockabout World - 7
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done -10
  18. On The Streets I Ran - 6
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean - 8
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere - 7
  21. Smiler With Knife - 7
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help - 7
  23. The Bullfighter Dies - 6
  24. The Night Pop Dropped - 7
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 6
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 6
  27. When You Open Your Legs - 5
  28. You Have Killed Me - 7
I like all of those songs . Three of them I place in my Top 10 Morrissey songs ... ever . Hurling Days I can easily name a masterpiece and Moz classic .
 
  1. All You Need Is Me 8/10
  2. Children In Pieces 6/10
  3. Forgive Someone 9/10
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain 5/10
  5. I Bury The Living 4/10
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy 8/10
  7. I Knew I Was Next 5/10
  8. I Thought You Were Dead 6/10
  9. I'm Not A Man 7/10
  10. I'm OK By Myself 7/10
  11. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me 9/10
  12. In The Future When All's Well 8/10
  13. Jim Jim Falls 7/10
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle 5/10
  15. Kiss Me A Lot 7/10
  16. Knockabout World 7/10
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done 10/10
  18. On The Streets I Ran 8/10
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean 10/10
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere 6/10
  21. Smiler With Knife 7/10
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help 6/10
  23. The Bullfighter Dies 8/10
  24. The Night Pop Dropped 6/10
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved 8/10
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? 8/10
  27. When You Open Your Legs 8/10
  28. You Have Killed Me 10/10
 
top 10 jesse tracks

1 the bullfighter dies
2 what kind of people live in these houses
3 my hurling days are done
4 you have killed me
5 knockabout world
6 the youngest was the most loved
7 once i saw the river clean
8 jim jim falls
9 smiler with knife
10 when you open your legs
 
  1. You Have Killed Me - 9.5
  2. Forgive Someone – 9
  3. My Hurling Days Are Done - 9
  4. Once I Saw The River Clean - 9
  5. Smiler With Knife – 9
  6. Jim Jim Falls - 8.5
  7. In The Future When All's Well – 8
  8. When You Open Your Legs - 8
  9. I'm Not A Man - 7.5
  10. All You Need Is Me - 7
  11. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain – 7
  12. Knockabout World - 7
  13. The Night Pop Dropped - 7
  14. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 7
  15. The Bullfighter Dies - 6.5
  16. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 6.5
  17. I Knew I Was Next - 6
  18. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 6
  19. I Bury The Living - 5
  20. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy – 5
  21. I'm OK By Myself - 5
  22. Kiss Me A Lot - 5
  23. On The Streets I Ran – 5
  24. Children In Pieces – 4
  25. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 4
  26. Sorry Doesn't Help – 4
  27. People Are The Same Everywhere - 2.5
  28. I Thought You Were Dead - (not familiar, no grade)
Reordered alphabetically by score. Fully half achieved a subjective 70% or higher, which surprised me. But, by the same subjective standard, I don't think he has ever hit a true 10 a la Marr, Whyte or Boorer.
 
  1. All You Need Is Me - 5
  2. Children In Pieces - 2
  3. Forgive Someone - 1
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 4
  5. I Bury The Living - 0
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 5
  7. I Knew I Was Next - 3
  8. I Thought You Were Dead - 7
  9. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 3
  10. I'm Not A Man - 3
  11. I'm OK By Myself - 6
  12. In The Future When All's Well - 5
  13. Jim Jim Falls - 7
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 4
  15. Kiss Me A Lot - 1
  16. Knockabout World - 2
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done - 8
  18. On The Streets I Ran - 6
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean - 8
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere - 1
  21. Smiler With Knife - 1
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help - 6
  23. The Bullfighter Dies - 2
  24. The Night Pop Dropped - 5
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 7
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 7
  27. When You Open Your Legs - 5
  28. You Have Killed Me -7
 
Mozmar said:
In another thread, it was pointed out that Jesse Tobias has co-written quite a few songs (28), so I thought it might be a good exercise to score each one out of 10. Here they are in alphabetical order:

  1. All You Need Is Me - 6.5
  2. Children In Pieces - 8
  3. Forgive Someone - 7
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 6 (nice tune, crap lyrics)
  5. I Bury The Living - 6 (nice tune crap lyrics)
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 6
  7. I Knew I Was Next - 5
  8. I Thought You Were Dead - 8
  9. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 6
  10. I'm Not A Man - 7
  11. I'm OK By Myself - 7
  12. In The Future When All's Well - 8
  13. Jim Jim Falls - 8
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 6
  15. Kiss Me A Lot - 6
  16. Knockabout World - 10
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done - 9
  18. On The Streets I Ran - 3
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean - 9
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere - 2
  21. Smiler With Knife - 10
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help - 6
  23. The Bullfighter Dies - 7
  24. The Night Pop Dropped - ?
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 6
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses - 7
  27. When You Open Your Legs - 7 (good music crap lyrics)
  28. You Have Killed Me - 6
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Mozmar said:
Ok, but I can't include your stats b'cos you haven't provided any scores for the full 28, as per the original request. If you want to revisit, that's ok by me...
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1 the bullfighter dies 8
2 what kind of people live in these houses 8
3 my hurling days are done 8
4 you have killed me 7
5 knockabout world 7
6 the youngest was the most loved 6
7 once i saw the river clean 6
8 jim jim falls 6
9 smiler with knife 5
10 when you open your legs 5
 
Mozmar said:
So still not doing the full 28, then? Are you short on time?
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All right then, here goes. I didn't want to be too negative, but I have to be honest. Jesse is probably the poorest co-writer Moz has had.

  1. All You Need Is Me - 1
  2. Children In Pieces - 4
  3. Forgive Someone - 5
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 5
  5. I Bury The Living -3
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 4
  7. I Knew I Was Next - 4
  8. I Thought You Were Dead - 4
  9. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 3
  10. I'm Not A Man - 4
  11. I'm OK By Myself - 2
  12. In The Future When All's Well - 5
  13. Jim Jim Falls - 6
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 4
  15. Kiss Me A Lot - 4
  16. Knockabout World - 7
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done -8
  18. On The Streets I Ran - 4
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean - 6
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere - 2
  21. Smiler With Knife - 5
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help - 2
  23. The Bullfighter Dies - 8
  24. The Night Pop Dropped - 4
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 6
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 8
  27. When You Open Your Legs - 5
  28. You Have Killed Me - 7
 
  1. All You Need Is Me - 6
  2. Children In Pieces - 8
  3. Forgive Someone - 9
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 5
  5. I Bury The Living - 1
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 5
  7. I Knew I Was Next - 5
  8. I Thought You Were Dead - 6
  9. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 6
  10. I'm Not A Man - 3
  11. I'm OK By Myself - 5
  12. In The Future When All's Well - 10
  13. Jim Jim Falls - 9
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 4
  15. Kiss Me A Lot - 6
  16. Knockabout World - 9
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done - 10
  18. On The Streets I Ran - 8
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean - 8
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere - 2
  21. Smiler With Knife - 5
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help - 5
  23. The Bullfighter Dies - 6
  24. The Night Pop Dropped - 8
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 10
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 5
  27. When You Open Your Legs - 4
  28. You Have Killed Me - 10
 
All you need is me 7
Children in pieces 6.5
Forgive someone 6.5
I am not a dog on a chain 6
I bury the living 7
I just want to see the boy happy 6
I knew I was next 6
I thought you were dead 6.5
If you don t like me don t look at me 6
I am not a man 8
I m ok by myself 7
In the future when all s well 7
Jim Jim falls 6.5
Kick the bride down the aisle 7.5
Kiss me a lot 7
Knockabout world 7.5
My hurling days are done 6
On the streets I ran 7
Once I saw the river clean 6.5
People are the same everywhere 6
Smiler with knife 7.5
Sorry doesn t help 6
The bullfighter dies 6.5
The night pop dropped 7
The youngest was the most loved 8.5
What kind of people live in these houses ? 9
When you open your legs 6
You have killed me 8
 
  1. All You Need Is Me - 8
  2. Children In Pieces - 6
  3. Forgive Someone - 8
  4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 7
  5. I Bury The Living - 5
  6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 7,5
  7. I Knew I Was Next - 8
  8. I Thought You Were Dead - 8,5
  9. I'm Not A Man - 7
  10. I'm OK By Myself - 6
  11. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 7,5
  12. In The Future When All's Well - 7,5
  13. Jim Jim Falls - 8
  14. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 5,5
  15. Kiss Me A Lot - 7,5
  16. Knockabout World - 7,5
  17. My Hurling Days Are Done 8,5
  18. On The Streets I Ran - 8,5
  19. Once I Saw The River Clean - 9
  20. People Are The Same Everywhere - 6
  21. Smiler With Knife - 6
  22. Sorry Doesn't Help - 6,5
  23. The Bullfighter Dies - 8
  24. The Night Pop Dropped - 8
  25. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 8
  26. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 8
  27. When You Open Your Legs - 7
  28. You Have Killed Me - 9,5

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