Morrissey Central "YOU KNOW I COULDN’T LAST" (July 26, 2023)


“She had only so much ‘self’ to give. She was dropped by her label after selling 7 million albums for them. She became crazed, yes, but uninteresting, never. She had done nothing wrong. She had proud vulnerability … and there is a certain music industry hatred for singers who don’t ‘fit in’ (this I know only too well), and they are never praised until death - when, finally, they can’t answer back. The cruel playpen of fame gushes with praise for Sinead today … with the usual moronic labels of “icon” and “legend”. You praise her now ONLY because it is too late. You hadn’t the guts to support her when she was alive and she was looking for you. The press will label artists as pests because of what they withhold … and they would call Sinead sad, fat, shocking, insane … oh but not today! Music CEOs who had put on their most charming smile as they refused her for their roster are queuing-up to call her a “feminist icon”, and 15 minute celebrities and goblins from hell and record labels of artificially aroused diversity are squeezing onto Twitter to twitter their jibber-jabber … when it was YOU who talked Sinead into giving up … because she refused to be labelled, and she was degraded, as those few who move the world are always degraded. Why is ANYBODY surprised that Sinead O’Connor is dead? Who cared enough to save Judy Garland, Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Marilyn Monroe, Billie Holiday? Where do you go when death can be the best outcome? Was this music madness worth Sinead’s life? No, it wasn’t. She was a challenge, and she couldn’t be boxed-up, and she had the courage to speak when everyone else stayed safely silent. She was harassed simply for being herself. Her eyes finally closed in search of a soul she could call her own. As always, the lamestreamers miss the ringing point, and with locked jaws they return to the insultingly stupid “icon” and “legend” when last week words far more cruel and dismissive would have done. Tomorrow the fawning fops flip back to their online shitposts and their cosy Cancer Culture and their moral superiority and their obituaries of parroted vomit … all of which will catch you lying on days like today … when Sinead doesn’t need your sterile slop.”

MORRISSEY
26 July, 2023.

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Ah, another 'heartfelt' obituary with the sole purpose of promoting the product Moz. A real disgrace.
 
Ah, another 'heartfelt' obituary with the sole purpose of promoting the product Moz. A real disgrace.
Plenty in there that’s celebrating the deceased artist. And it’s probably the most ‘heartfelt’ thing I’ve seen written about Sinead O’Connor’s death.
 
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Apologies if this has been posted already (can't see it here) but Julie Burchill's Spectator column is worth a read:

It started with That Song on the World Service in the early hours, the one I’ve always loathed; for me it symbolises the start of the state we’re in now whereby perfectly good toe-tappers are routinely strung out in slo-mo by interpreters for whom misery passes as creativity.

OK, the Prince original wasn’t exactly a laugh a minute, but it wasn’t anywhere near as dragged out as the Sinéad O’Connor cover. So when I heard that the singer had died at the age of 56, my first thought was, selfishly ‘Oh no – they’ll be playing That Song all day!’ The second was ‘The tearleaders will have a field day with this one…’

Sure enough, over on social media what my husband calls the ‘tearleaders’, metaphorical ambulance chasers competitively mourning dead celebrities, were already up and at ‘em before sunrise. I remember some time back after Howard Marks’ death at 70 (that’s 70 – not 7, or 17) I once saw someone on Facebook wail that ‘the slaughter of a generation’ was taking place, because David Bowie, Ronnie Corbett, and that fat bird who designs big buildings also shuffled off this mortal coil in the same year. When the great writer E.R Braithwaite died peacefully at a whopping 104 years young, I couldn’t help posting, ‘Taken too soon – I hate you, 2016!’

Here came the clichés: ‘Troubled Sinéad’, ‘Nothing Compared To You’ and our old buddy ‘She Never Got Over X’. The most presumptuous tearleading hinged on the sad fact that her teenage son committed suicide, with one clown on the radio explaining that the tears we see on her face in the famous video are the result of this – which would herald a breakthrough in time travel as it was recorded before the poor boy was born.

The Guardian even had Seamus Heaney (died 2013) tweeting from the afterlife: ‘A great Irish poet and singer left us today. She was beautiful, courageous and wore her heart on her sleeve.’

Those with power in the music business had written her off as barking mad years ago; it’s an easy mistake to make about someone who rejects Catholicism for its treatment of women and then converts to Islam. But nevertheless her treatment by the industry was shameful.

Morrissey summed it up well, as he does all sad things from thwarted love to terrorist massacres:



Morrissey being Morrissey, there’s a lot of purple puff in the missive (‘Who cared enough to save Judy Garland, Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Marilyn Monroe, Billie Holiday?’) and also Moz being Moz, some of it’s about himself (‘There is a certain music industry hatred for singers who don’t “fit in” – this I know only too well’.) But he’s speaking a lot of scathing sense, especially regarding the way female pop stars are still treated very different from males.

O’Connor’s death came a few days after Mick Jagger’s 80th birthday and the amount of swill celebrating this wizened old chancer in both regular and social media was sickening to see. It’s very hard to imagine an 80-year-old female singer being hailed as an enduring symbol of sex and rebellion as they tend to be written off as over the hill by 30.

The way the music industry treats women was summed well by Marianne Faithfull: ‘Aren’t I pretty – please buy me!’ When #MeToo happened, I remember thinking, ‘Will the music business will have one? That’ll take a long time!’

As it turned out the task proved too daunting to attempt, and there was only one #MeToo moment, albeit one which continued for several years. The singer Ke$ha brought lawsuits against her former producer Dr Luke in which she accused him of physical, sexual, and emotional abuse and employment discrimination against her.

‘Rock Against Sexism’ was founded in 1978, just two years after ‘Rock Against Racism’, but it was striking how less stellar the endorsements were. Most musicians would have thought sexism was some sort of new kinky thrill, or merely inquired in a baffled manner a la Spinal Tap’s Nigel ‘But…what’s wrong with being sexy?’

This is a business in which a no-talent DJ like Tim Westwood is protected and lionised and Taylor Swift is groped by a no-mark DJ even after she was famous. It’s the difference between how the industry treated Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears, the way Harry Styles has been anointed ‘King Of Pop’ by Rolling Stone after starting out on a TV talent show while Girls Aloud – one of the most exciting and innovative groups of all times – never even had their music promoted in America.

A woman who looked like Sam Smith could not be a pop star; women in music are valued for their looks as much as actresses are. But while it could be argued that beauty is important in film stars as that they are there primarily to be looked at, with singers it shouldn’t matter as much as it does.

O’Connor was allowed to be ‘eccentric’ for as long as she was young and beautiful; her crime was to age and not grow out of her rebel ways. She wouldn’t have a homely make-over the way other pretty pop stars like Kim Wilde did. She continued to be outspoken, but what was considered exciting in a young woman was considered crazy in a middle-aged one.

When she wrote an open letter to the sexed-up young Miley Cyrus, who claimed to have based her persona on O’Connor (‘Nothing but harm will come in the long run from allowing yourself to be exploited…it is absolutely NOT in ANY way an empowerment of yourself or any other young women, for you to send across the message that you are to be valued (even by you) more for your sexual appeal than your obvious talent…the music business doesn’t give a **** about you, or any of us.’) she was mocked for being envious and irrelevant, mocked for growing old in an industry where women are only allowed to be opinionated when young and cute, their stroppiness emasculated into being ‘provocative’.

But now she’s safely dead – and the police report that there are ‘no suspicious circumstances’ to prick the consciences of those who shunned her – the canonisation is underway: Saint Sinéad of the Sorrows. It’s not just the music business who have done an about-face and tried to bury their bad treatment of her.

In 1992, she tore up a photograph of the Pope on American television to protest against the systemic child abuse of the Irish state. A year later, unmarked graves of 155 women were uncovered in the convent grounds of one of the notorious Magdalene Laundries, where the state sent ‘fallen women.’

A week after she did it, Saturday Night Live host Joe Pesci showed the same torn photo taped back together, saying ‘She’s lucky it wasn’t my show, because if it was my show, I would have given her such a smack.’ He received massive applause; she was soon condemned by the Anti-Defamation League, booed at a Bob Dylan tribute concert, and ridiculed by numerous entertainers on SNL sketches for months afterwards.

Yet now Ireland stands as the most self-righteous among nations, reborn with a new church of transubstantiation, and groovy gay Taoiseach Varadkar can sob, ‘Her music was loved around the world and her talent was unmatched and beyond compare…rest her soul.’

I still can’t stand That Song. But this bright, talented and unusual woman deserved a whole lot better from an industry – and indeed a nation – which is now competing to see who can ululate the loudest over her sad and premature death.
good read,the bit about girls aloud is a bit laughable,one of the most exciting and innovative groups of all time,she slags off harry styles for being the product of a talent show,girls aloud were the exact same.
 
Your post was terribly insulting in Sinead's honor. You can still be a beautiful sweet intelligent soul with bipolar disease along with other problems she may have had. Now, if you are not a psychologist with a PhD, then please jut stop. Please.
Tearing up a picture of the Pope on live TV was definitely slightly 'crazed'. I just read Moz's comment as related to behaviour like that. I also thought it was interesting that he used the word 'crazed' instead of 'crazy'. 'Crazed' suggests that she was reacting to something that made her feel that way, rather than it was just the way she was.
She also spoke openly about being 'wrongly diagnosed' with bipolar disorder. Psychiatry is a bit of a pseudo-science. See 5 different psychiatrists and you will get 5 different diagnoses. That's not to say that mental distress does not exist - of course it does. And it is probably on the increase across the developed world.
She mentions having had the wrong diagnosis several times in this interview, but the main bit where it's discussed is about 23'15''. The whole interview is worth watching though.

 
What did he do for her, "heartfelt" or otherwise, before she was dead?
Just to help your (lack of) critical thinking...
Why should everything he may or may not have done relate to some public display of support?
He could have sent her a message/fax/postcard et al every day for 20+ years - why do you feel so entitled as to want to be made aware of private information that you will probably never know...?
That's a completely different issue when compared to Morrissey & Sinéad...
FWD.
 
Just to help your (lack of) critical thinking...
Why should everything he may or may not have done relate to some public display of support?
He could have sent her a message/fax/postcard et al every day for 20+ years - why do you feel so entitled as to want to be made aware of private information that you will probably never know...?
That's a completely different issue when compared to Morrissey & Sinéad...
FWD.
Also, why do people think that public displays of support = actually giving a sh*t about someone.
There’s far too much ‘public’ support simply because people want to be seen as being virtuous, and not enough genuine care for people.
 
Also, why do people think that public displays of support = actually giving a sh*t about someone.
There’s far too much ‘public’ support simply because people want to be seen as being virtuous, and not enough genuine care for people.

Exactly. We see all sorts of megacorps supporting LGBTQ+ pride during pride month, but then they quickly go back to not giving a shit about anyone's right as soon as the month is over. Public support means absolutely nothing if it isn't followed up by actual real life, material support for whatever cause or person one is saying they support.
 
Exactly. We see all sorts of megacorps supporting LGBTQ+ pride during pride month, but then they quickly go back to not giving a shit about anyone's right as soon as the month is over. Public support means absolutely nothing if it isn't followed up by actual real life, material support for whatever cause or person one is saying they support.
We never see multinationals supporting pride month in Dubai.
Strange how they can only support these things where there is already widespread public support, almost seems that way because it’s easy!!
Words are cheap, as they say.
 
Just watched the 'Nothing Compares' documentary. I advise anyone reading this to watch it, it mainly focuses on her childhood up to '92 and the whole SNL and Bob Dylan concert. My word, what a lady, brave, ahead of her time, beautiful, outspoken but very likeable. And that voice. R.I.P Sinead x
 
Tearing up a picture of the Pope on live TV was definitely slightly 'crazed'. I just read Moz's comment as related to behaviour like that. I also thought it was interesting that he used the word 'crazed' instead of 'crazy'. 'Crazed' suggests that she was reacting to something that made her feel that way, rather than it was just the way she was.
She also spoke openly about being 'wrongly diagnosed' with bipolar disorder. Psychiatry is a bit of a pseudo-science. See 5 different psychiatrists and you will get 5 different diagnoses. That's not to say that mental distress does not exist - of course it does. And it is probably on the increase across the developed world.
She mentions having had the wrong diagnosis several times in this interview, but the main bit where it's discussed is about 23'15''. The whole interview is worth watching though.


That's a good point, crazed vs crazy. Crazed implies you are compelled to act that way, for a certain reason, stimulus, or way. Whereas crazy is a state of being and often has negative connotations
 
Lmao, I just saw one of my friends call Morrissey a misogynist because he called Sinead "crazed". Sure, not the best word in the world to use, but she did suffer from mental illness, and was diagnosed with bipolar and borderline personality disorder.

Mentally healthy people don't have public mental breakdowns and make daily suicide threats


‘The sanest days are mad
Why don't you find out for yourself?
Then you'll see the price
Very closely…’


M’s been criticizing the industry for so long. So for him to comment again on the treatment
of its artists is not a surprise.

Morrissey will always be there for anyone.

Those who have suffered, understand suffering
And thereby extend their hand’

- Patti Smith
 
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Exactly. We see all sorts of megacorps supporting LGBTQ+ pride during pride month, but then they quickly go back to not giving a shit about anyone's right as soon as the month is over. Public support means absolutely nothing if it isn't followed up by actual real life, material support for whatever cause or person one is saying they support.
it's not your birthday anymore

Nothing really new, just a tidy overview
https://www.nickiswift.com/1352220/morrissey-calls-out-sinead-oconnor-supporters-tragic-death/
 
Just to help your (lack of) critical thinking...
Why should everything he may or may not have done relate to some public display of support?
He could have sent her a message/fax/postcard et al every day for 20+ years - why do you feel so entitled as to want to be made aware of private information that you will probably never know...?
That's a completely different issue when compared to Morrissey & Sinéad...
FWD.
"Lack of critical thinking" - brilliant.

It's true that Morrissey could have sent messages, faxes and/or postcards to O'Connor. He could have helped her in lots of ways, but are you claiming that he actually did help her? Is there any actual evidence that Morrissey helped her, or are you - based only on an unfounded belief in Morrissey's loyalty to others - just giving him the benefit of the doubt because you ❤️ him?

As things stand - and not for the first time - Morrissey looks like a hypocritical c_nt.
 
"Lack of critical thinking" - brilliant.

It's true that Morrissey could have sent messages, faxes and/or postcards to O'Connor. He could have helped her in lots of ways, but are you claiming that he actually did help her? Is there any actual evidence that Morrissey helped her, or are you - based only on an unfounded belief in Morrissey's loyalty to others - just giving him the benefit of the doubt because you ❤️ him?

As things stand - and not for the first time - Morrissey looks like a hypocritical c_nt.
As a wise person once said:
You don't know what you don't know.
I'm claiming nothing.
I'm pointing out that to offer an assessment of Morrissey's behaviour, 'c***ishness' and gauge his level of 'hypocrisy' based on what you feel are the 'facts' is a poor way to frame an argument.
That style of thinking easily fits the absence of proof fallacy.
FWD.
 
As a wise person once said:
You don't know what you don't know.
I'm claiming nothing.
I'm pointing out that to offer an assessment of Morrissey's behaviour, 'c***ishness' and gauge his level of 'hypocrisy' based on what you feel are the 'facts' is a poor way to frame an argument.
That style of thinking easily fits the absence of proof fallacy.
FWD.
"What feel are the facts"? The actual fact is that there is no evidence to support a belief that Morrissey in any way helped Sinéad O'Connor before she died. In the absence of such evidence, it's reasonable to conclude that the claim isn't true. Morrissey criticises other people for being unsupportive of O'Connor, yet there's no evidence that he supported her. As things stand, he looks like a hypocrite, once again, and only uncritical faith in your idol prevents you from admitting it.
 
"What feel are the facts"? The actual fact is that there is no evidence to support a belief that Morrissey in any way helped Sinéad O'Connor before she died. In the absence of such evidence, it's reasonable to conclude that the claim isn't true. Morrissey criticises other people for being unsupportive of O'Connor, yet there's no evidence that he supported her. As things stand, he looks like a hypocrite, once again, and only uncritical faith in your idol prevents you from admitting it.

I think you and FWD are both as bad as each other, and it's pretty fun to read. Keep going.
 
im leaning toward morrissey being a hypocritical c*** who's relishing the opportunity at being able to shame people in the mainstream out of personal bitterness because it just doesnt seem very likely or in keeping with his character that he would have helped her. being a hypocritical c*** who relishes the opportunity to shame people in the mainstream out of personal bitterness seems much more in keeping with his character; never making any effort to be better or more than he is, seems more in keeping with his character. BUT! i could be wrong--because although it's not likely that he did reach out to her, it is likely that if he did indeed reach out to her, we wouldnt have heard about it.
 
"What feel are the facts"? The actual fact is that there is no evidence to support a belief that Morrissey in any way helped Sinéad O'Connor before she died. In the absence of such evidence, it's reasonable to conclude that the claim isn't true. Morrissey criticises other people for being unsupportive of O'Connor, yet there's no evidence that he supported her. As things stand, he looks like a hypocrite, once again, and only uncritical faith in your idol prevents you from admitting it.
Anything that may have been said or done in private means that of course there will be no evidence that we are aware of - but no evidence does not mean anything. It's not rocket science. We simply don't know what may or may not have happened in private so there is no point in assuming anything either way in that regard.
I'm sure like a lot of people recently I've been re-reading the open letter that Sinéad O'Connor wrote to Miley Cyrus. It's an incredibly warm, heart-felt and helpful letter. That Miley responded to it with ridicule and allusions to Sinéad's mental health problems speaks volumes about Miley as a person. Maybe she regrets all that now. Maybe Moz and Miley spoke about it? Who knows. But a legitimate question to ask Moz is why he ever thought that asking such a vapid creature as Miley to do backing vocals was a good idea.

 
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