Morrissey statement on French election posted on Gustavo's Facebook

Link to Gustavo's Facebook post on May 4 posted by an anonymous person (original post):

"Last night Marine Le Pen easily won the French Election debate.

Today both the BBC and CNN say Macron won the debate.

This is precisely the reason why mainstream news media outlets cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Their private agendas are more important than facts, reality, or their duty to the people."

Morrissey
4 May 2017.

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UPDATE 5:15PM PT:

Amendment added to original post (posted by Ed Wood):

AMENDMENT:

"My statement is that the mainstream media will not objectively or truthfully report on any figure who is not already a part of the political elite. Marine Le Pen is a perfect example of this.
She proves that the BBC or CNN are incapable of reporting without enforcing their own private agenda. Thus, the BBC and CNN do not actually provide news. Instead, they feed your their opinion which, in fact, no one has ever asked for. For example, today the BBC assures the world that 'the nation salutes Prince Phillip' when, factually, it would not be possible to find any nation anywhere that salutes Prince Phillip, or, if it were found, it certainly would not be England."

Morrissey
5 May 2017

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UPDATE May 7:

Facebook post now deleted. Posted earlier by an anonymous person:

Gustavo has edited his post again, and says he is going to take it down shortly:

"Thank you all very much for the support, the opinions, and the attention. They are ALL valid but now, the French people have spoken.

. This post is history now and will be taken down soon. If there are any last words, by all means, scream away. If not, I will resume my personal FB with pictures of my dogs and horrible selfies. XO - g"

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Media coverage:

• Morrissey says Marine Le Pen ‘won’ French election debate but the BBC won’t ‘tell the truth’ - NME. Link posted by Famous when dead.
• Morrissey Says Marine Le Pen Won French Election Debate, But the Media Won’t Admit It - Pitchfork. Link posted by Famous when dead.
• Morrissey: Mainstream Media Won’t Admit Marine Le Pen Won French Election Debate - Stereogum. Link posted by Famous when dead.
• Morrissey claims Marine Le Pen “easily” won French election debate - Dork. Link posted by Famous when dead.

 

[countthree]

Why?

Makes absolutely no sense at all. If that was the case there would be no ladders. What he meant is that those that demand the same without ability or knowledge or any kind of intelligence will still remain inferior even if they get all that. Something socialists will never realise ever.

I'm talking about equal rights (law), not proposing everybody must have the same bank account. It's something basic in modern democracies: human rights. I don't see life as a ladder, sorry, my idea of life is a path with ups and downs. And I fail to see people as inferior or superior. There are several kinds of intelligence, you can't measure everybody with the same rule. By the way, I'm not socialist.

 

[countthree]

That type of comment is so far removed from reality you must literally be hurting from feeling like that.

Everyone knows that what you said is just words with no back up in reality whatsoever. Why go around throwing meaningless cliche's around you?

Ever thought about that?

Yes, of course it hurts. But that discomfort is far less dangerous than the meek acceptance of the statu quo. Mainly because it's unfair for people who are having bad times and secondly because ever changing life will step over you: if you don't care about suffering you'll never notice where the next blow in your face is coming from.

 

[caramel sea salt]

Countthree's posts remind me a bit of this:

http://www.campus-adr.org/fun/Insightgen.html

 

[countthree]

Countthree's posts remind me a bit of this:

http://www.campus-adr.org/fun/Insightgen.html

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I try. You troll.

 

[caramel sea salt]

I try. You troll.

Funny you should accuse people of trolling when you are the one going anonymous to harass people because you are too much of a coward to own what you say. You have been called out. You are a complete fraud.

 

[countthree]

Funny you should accuse people of trolling when you are the one going anonymous to harass people because you are too much of a coward to own what you say. You have been called out. You are a complete fraud.

I don't intend to sell anything. Do you know what fraud is?

 

[caramel sea salt]

Keep digging.

 

[Ed Wood]

 

[nicky wire's legs]

Countthree's posts remind me a bit of this:

http://www.campus-adr.org/fun/Insightgen.html

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no offence to countthree, who ive always found very smart and insightful, but that's pretty funny

 

[Truth]

Funny you should accuse people of trolling when you are the one going anonymous to harass people because you are too much of a coward to own what you say. You have been called out. You are a complete fraud.

You don't even know who you're accusing a lot of the time. You've falsely accused me of being other people. Get over it and get over yourself. "You are a complete fraud" is kind of rich coming from a phony liberal who puts people down for their English skills.

"You have been called out." lol What happens after that? Nothing? You remind me of Jeremy Kyle. "Do one!" "You are a complete fraud!" "You have been called out!" haha. Wow. I used to actually believe you were an intelligent interesting person but you act like a three year old. "I don't like you! No one likes you!" haha Thanks for showing up again to provide more entertainment, intentionally or not.

 

[Ed Wood]

no offence to countthree, who ive always found very smart and insightful, but that's pretty funny

You don't really think anyone really cares what any of us have to say here, do you? I mean...yes, people might read it, but...it's as benign as reading an advertisement in spanish on the freeway, don't you think?

 

[Truth]

You don't really think anyone really cares what any of us have to say here, do you? I mean...yes, people might read it, but...it's as benign as reading an advertisement in spanish on the freeway, don't you think?

Apparently, it's all being preserved for the ages.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

You don't really think anyone really cares what any of us have to say here, do you? I mean...yes, people might read it, but...it's as benign as reading an advertisement in spanish on the freeway, don't you think?

no..... rather, i think the austere degeneration of natural resources will facilitate the reconciliation of our home business models. so there.

 

[Sidnettle]

Why?

Makes absolutely no sense at all. If that was the case there would be no ladders. What he meant is that those that demand the same without ability or knowledge or any kind of intelligence will still remain inferior even if they get all that. Something socialists will never realise ever.

If you count conniving, back-stabbing and ripping people off as valid skills you are correct. To anyone with a conscience you are living in the dungeons of depravity.

 

[Ed Wood]

no..... rather, i think the austere degeneration of natural resources will facilitate the reconciliation of our home business models. so there.

I have no idea what you just said. But, it sounds smart.

 

[Truth]

Hi. From my point of view, beyond its opinion which has been not expressly given according to me, the post of M. Morrissey raise awareness of the tendency of main media to pronounce results without real foundation, one more time, whatever the matter in question. As most of you, of course I have not no idea why he thought MLP has won the debate.
As this effect can be checked only with the French elections among the two examples mentioned, and to remain factual in comparison with his intervention, when I read it, I have investigated on what BBC and CNN broadcast of debate on Wednesday, May 4th by searching traces on their Internet site, articles or videos about forecasts at the issue of this debate of the 2nd round. They both conclude, and French newspapers too, who was the winner only according the survey data.
BBC may 4th : “French election: Macron declared 'winner' of final debate”
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39801315
“French pundits, newspapers and a highly regarded viewers' poll all declared the centrist candidate the most convincing.” / “He was the "most convincing" of the pair in the opinion of 63% of those interviewed.” / “The major French newspapers broadly agree in their Thursday morning editorials.”
CNN may 4th : “French election: Le Pen, Macron trade jabs in final TV debate”
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/03/europe/french-election-le-pen-macron-debate/index.html
“In the end, 63% of those who participated in survey after the debate found Macron more convincing than Le Pen, according to pollster Elabe, which provided results for CNN affiliate BFMTV.”
CNN may 4th : “Macron fends off Le Pen in ill-tempered French presidential debate”
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/03/europe/macron-le-pen-france-presidential-debate/index.html
“A snap poll conducted for CNN affiliate BFMTV said 63% of those who participated in survey after the debate found Macron more convincing than Le Pen. “
The survey data link is not given but no matter. I think it exists a differentiation between “to be convincing” which therefore supposes have rallied opinion (as they seem to say it with these 63 % “convinced”) and “to be convincing” which can also suppose “to control subjects” but not necessarily to be agree with the ideas. At the other side, we can say that Marine le Pen has been “persuasive”. Perhaps that’s what M. Morrissey wanted to say. But with this panel, who could certify without any ambiguity after this May 4th that Macron, very pointed on subjects, would take out victorious facing MLP who supported her program on many erroneous passed and present facts and appeared incompetent, even with her files at hands? Her voters were disappointed in her interventions, what did not mean that they were not going to vote for her anymore ! Moreover, the number of transferred voices remained an unknown. So, yes, OK she had always some chances to win just after the debate. For these reasons, nobody could say who will be the winner, BBC, CNN or Morrissey or whoever it is ! Myself and my friends (some were and remain supporters for Marine Le Pen, yes !) were really pessimistic up to the results of May 7th and I cried with great relief after Macron was elected. Nowadays, every Frenchman discovers in his circle, a follower of the FN during a meal between friends, the trend increases… And between us, me and my friends, we know why. We must understand why, we must let us to express their opinion and finally consider their opinion and do not stop only on the fact that they are pro-Le Pen. At the other side, some FN supporters among my friends try to do the same thing into a conversation. But no one among the politics will never cut our friendly relationship because we know us since so many many many years, we know the life of each other, our difficulties. Of course, the FN supporters adhere to the patriotic protectionism. As Marine Le Pen (she said that many times), they claim to be not racists. I think the bottom of debate to be led is therefore this one: is the protectionism of fatherland accompanied with racism or not ?... Everybody knows that : to raise patriotism at all levels means to limit immigration, to institute the law of the blood, to restore borders, to reinforce armed forces and police, internal and external controls, to abolish some freedom and rights, etc. So, can such level of patriotism again accompany the values of Freedom, of Equality and Brotherhood ? Does such level of patriotism still answer the articles of the Constitution of Human rights? Does such level of patriotism take into consideration the rights of the child, can be registered in concepts of the WHO, of the UNO, of the EU ? These questions are considered by the pro and the anti-nationalists when they go to vote with regard to economic context of their country but not with the same ideas on these questions.

Thank you, Nathalie. This is interesting and informative. It is strange to hear friends agreeing with a politician whose policies seem hateful. I respect your decision not to break relationships if it is possible. Sometimes we learn of our friend's opinions and it will destroy that desire, but it's usually best to keep talking and working for a solution with mutual respect.

 

[No1uno]

no..... rather, i think the austere degeneration of natural resources will facilitate the reconciliation of our home business models. so there.

You used the profound insight generator. That was pretty good.

 

[Keanu Reaves]

Hi. From my point of view, beyond its opinion which has been not expressly given according to me, the post of M. Morrissey raise awareness of the tendency of main media to pronounce results without real foundation, one more time, whatever the matter in question. As most of you, of course I have not no idea why he thought MLP has won the debate.
As this effect can be checked only with the French elections among the two examples mentioned, and to remain factual in comparison with his intervention, when I read it, I have investigated on what BBC and CNN broadcast of debate on Wednesday, May 4th by searching traces on their Internet site, articles or videos about forecasts at the issue of this debate of the 2nd round. They both conclude, and French newspapers too, who was the winner only according the survey data.
BBC may 4th : “French election: Macron declared 'winner' of final debate”
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39801315
“French pundits, newspapers and a highly regarded viewers' poll all declared the centrist candidate the most convincing.” / “He was the "most convincing" of the pair in the opinion of 63% of those interviewed.” / “The major French newspapers broadly agree in their Thursday morning editorials.”
CNN may 4th : “French election: Le Pen, Macron trade jabs in final TV debate”
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/03/europe/french-election-le-pen-macron-debate/index.html
“In the end, 63% of those who participated in survey after the debate found Macron more convincing than Le Pen, according to pollster Elabe, which provided results for CNN affiliate BFMTV.”
CNN may 4th : “Macron fends off Le Pen in ill-tempered French presidential debate”
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/03/europe/macron-le-pen-france-presidential-debate/index.html
“A snap poll conducted for CNN affiliate BFMTV said 63% of those who participated in survey after the debate found Macron more convincing than Le Pen. “
The survey data link is not given but no matter. I think it exists a differentiation between “to be convincing” which therefore supposes have rallied opinion (as they seem to say it with these 63 % “convinced”) and “to be convincing” which can also suppose “to control subjects” but not necessarily to be agree with the ideas. At the other side, we can say that Marine le Pen has been “persuasive”. Perhaps that’s what M. Morrissey wanted to say. But with this panel, who could certify without any ambiguity after this May 4th that Macron, very pointed on subjects, would take out victorious facing MLP who supported her program on many erroneous passed and present facts and appeared incompetent, even with her files at hands? Her voters were disappointed in her interventions, what did not mean that they were not going to vote for her anymore ! Moreover, the number of transferred voices remained an unknown. So, yes, OK she had always some chances to win just after the debate. For these reasons, nobody could say who will be the winner, BBC, CNN or Morrissey or whoever it is ! Myself and my friends (some were and remain supporters for Marine Le Pen, yes !) were really pessimistic up to the results of May 7th and I cried with great relief after Macron was elected. Nowadays, every Frenchman discovers in his circle, a follower of the FN during a meal between friends, the trend increases… And between us, me and my friends, we know why. We must understand why, we must let us to express their opinion and finally consider their opinion and do not stop only on the fact that they are pro-Le Pen. At the other side, some FN supporters among my friends try to do the same thing into a conversation. But no one among the politics will never cut our friendly relationship because we know us since so many many many years, we know the life of each other, our difficulties. Of course, the FN supporters adhere to the patriotic protectionism. As Marine Le Pen (she said that many times), they claim to be not racists. I think the bottom of debate to be led is therefore this one: is the protectionism of fatherland accompanied with racism or not ?... Everybody knows that : to raise patriotism at all levels means to limit immigration, to institute the law of the blood, to restore borders, to reinforce armed forces and police, internal and external controls, to abolish some freedom and rights, etc. So, can such level of patriotism again accompany the values of Freedom, of Equality and Brotherhood ? Does such level of patriotism still answer the articles of the Constitution of Human rights? Does such level of patriotism take into consideration the rights of the child, can be registered in concepts of the WHO, of the UNO, of the EU ? These questions are considered by the pro and the anti-nationalists when they go to vote with regard to economic context of their country but not with the same ideas on these questions.

Sidnette+Sister+ Steroids

PS: Dudes, before you all start quoting Nietzche remember he was whacked out,totally insane, plus he never got laid.

 

[Keanu Reaves]

If you count conniving, back-stabbing and ripping people off as valid skills you are correct. To anyone with a conscience you are living in the dungeons of depravity.

I take it that you are using the phrase 'conniving, back-stabbing and ripping people of' as an euphemism
for someone actually having a job.
Dude, it makes no sense, never having a job and demanding a bunch of free stuff from other peeps.

 

[Sidnettle]

I take it that you are using the phrase 'conniving, back-stabbing and ripping people of' as an euphemism
for someone actually having a job.
Dude, it makes no sense, never having a job and demanding a bunch of free stuff from other peeps.

If that's what you do for a job, you are part of the problem.


P.S. It wouldn't surprise me.