Re: For PMc.. ongoing dialogue.. non punks need not read!
> You must ADMIT??!!? You were on here regularly BRAGGING about it, not
> realising there was an authentic old punk soldier (me) reading it, but
> remaining silent.
Damn.. caught out by the wiley campaigner who saw through my not so clever subterfuge.. I still argue I was in both camps, physically in one sense, and intelectually in another.
> I let you prattle on for a few months about Led Zep, Iron Maiden, AC/DC
> and plenty of others who were the antithesis of punk.
> Then......then.....in the most astute military manoeuvre since Napoleon's
> day..........I pounced!!!! Panic in the Ruff camp!!! f***!!! Where did HE
> come from??!!?
I have to laugh.. I do enjoy these retorts! But it's so f*cking true! I am not proud of some of the things I did in the past!! And just the thought I was with someone who actually bought a Judas Priest programme, complete with a 'pop up' Rob Halford makes me squirm.. (AND it wasnt me this time) It was really Spinal Tap at times.
> Then, in desperation, and trying to redeem himself in the eyes of the
> onlooking impressionable pesky kids, came the spin!! The backtracking!!
> The " well, erm.., I was into punk too" fabrication.
All True.. I was a regular in the fledgling audio depat of Whitechapel Library, and used to walk to Aldgate East daily with my Walkman listening to (from memory) 'Penetrations 'Moving Targets', Patti Smith albums, 'Rattus', Sham69 and the Banshee's ('difficult' album) The Scream. Amongst others..
> You make me pish my pants, you old punk-hater.
We were never punk haters, honestly. You were outsiders more than us, but harmless in our eyes. We had a thing about MODS. Which is odd, coz I'm more of a mod now than I ever have been.
> Motorbikes outside the rural pub, denim jackets with 'Rush' embroidered
> (embroidered!!!) on the back. Talking about Def Lep and Led Zep. Deep
> Purple and Pink Floyd.
Well, Dunno about rural, but the chats went on for sure.. Ever sat through a showing of Pink Floyds Live at Pompeii.. that is an endurance test.. Rush were abysmal then, and they are now. concept albums like 2112? what is THAT about.
> I saw hundreds of your type at the time. I used to go out with a bird from
> a wee quiet town near Paisley/Glasgow called Bridge of Weir. There they
> all were. Your scottish counterparts. They hated punk. Why shouldn't
> they?? They were happy with what was already out there, so why embrace
> anything new?? Each to their own, I say.
Not that it matters now, but like I said, never a punk hater. Maybe it was different in the south! We used to go to a Rock club called the Dutch House in Eltham on the A20.. Do you know that area.. Every Friday.. drunk on cider and light ales. Listening to Tommy Vance! (oh dear lord, I should make a note of all these notes, they bring back some dastardly hidden memories)
> You should have heard the encore No, I shouldn't have, Ruff. I can think of
> fewer things worse. > man, we just fell about the place..
That was a nobhead thing to say.. you're right.. but I like to throw some lines in that I KNOW will make you cringe!
> Pishing my pants again , Ruff. You really were clueless, weren't you?
> 1978. That was a good year for gigs.
> Stranglers, Clash, X Ray Spex, The Saints, Alternative TV, The Rezillos,
> Penetration, The Buzzcocks, The Fall, Sham 69, Siouxsie & The
> Banshees, The Adverts, Wire, The Ramones, Eater, The Damned, Chelsea,
> Slaughter & The Dogs etc from the original bunch.
Patrick, what can I say.. This is a role call of homour that eclipses all my expereineces at that time.. Still, at least I was out there somewhere doing it live! Even if misguided.
Questions..
1. Ever see JJB start a fight? Wade into the crowd like he was meant too do? Did Hugh have a massive attitude even then?
2. Were the Clash as good as they say live? I have me doubts.. there were better bands I'm sure.
3. Poly Styrene.. what was the ratio of girls to punk boys at these gigs?
4. Bored Teenagers by the Adverts (wasnt it?).. great tune!
5. Ramones.. tell any anecdote and I'll be happy.. did you get that Uncut the other month with a live version of Blitzkrieg Bop on it?
6. Which incarantion of the Damned did you see.. How many times have you seen the Captains tackle!! haha
> Complimented by newcomers like Stiff Little Fingers, Gang Of Four, The
> Undertones, The Ruts, UK Subs, Spizz Oil, Public Image Ltd, The Only Ones,
> The Lurkers, Magazine.
PIL.. that was another defining moment for me seeing PIL LTD performed on TOTP.. (I know I know, Year too late)
> Oh, and Led Zep at Knebworth. Tee-hee. Twat. I was very young Aaah, that
> explains it.> remember being scared by all these hairy assed bikesr lighting
> Tossers, Ruff. The lot of 'em.
> That's right. Now run along.
> see ye later ya numpty.
When did you lose the plot then.. coz like I've said.. when you left these shores.. you must've lost touch.. what happened to your old punk gang.. the vets who survived? do you still see them? Do you/they still gig! We're maybe panning to go to a Rockabilly club on 20th at the metro bar in Oxford st.. if you're about..
Ruffian
PS, I could start on my fascination with New Romanticism next! But I know you'll Pish your pants again!
