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[suzanne]

Re: Lewis & Clark Do America

> how on earth do know this?

we may live for 80 years, but our relevancy lasts about 5....like most bands.

> Not exactly, but we are biological material.
> some apples are bigger than others

and some of us are fruitier than others

> expect very bad lyrics as well ...

> really which ones? I think Goodfellas was new with its visual presentation
> of violence, because let's face it violence was always there in movies
> (and in life).

and explosions and people shooting each other in every other 80's buddy cop flick doesnt?

> those were innocent people, Mulder was just trigger happy.
> You are certainly not suggesting that everyone the authorities shoot
> is guilty.

ok, how many times has CSI brought someone in who had a few bullet holes in them?

> And I distinctively remember one episode in particular, in which
> they were looking for a giant alligator and were unable to find it.
> quality television indeed.
> half of the viewers watching this show were male teenagers interested
> in Scally.

really? they want a 30 year old woman who has children over Hillary Duff?

> I admit it's waning with time, but there were some cool things I didn't
> know (hopefully I'd never need to know).

> some of us like to be entertained with clean harmless fun and those films
> are usually humorous at parts. People enjoy things they can't do in real
> life.

i guess, but they just know to show up somewhere and start firing at bad guys. i like having a bit of mystery thrown in.

> What I really loath is romantic comedies, talk about pointless.

a few aren't bad. some i stay far away from like the ones where someone visits a psychic and are told they are going to meet a guy named Bill who is flying to paris.

> The Franklin expedition, the one in which everyone ended up dead.

the two things are quite different. i'm more interesting in the lewis and clark trip because of the scenery they were showing in the documentary. the franklin one was interesting because they found some of the members mummified in the ice and they could do testing on them to give some clue as to what happened, not to mention that the survivors were left to wander in those arctic conditions for years before they died.

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Lewis & Clark Do America

> we may live for 80 years, but our relevancy lasts about 5....like most
> bands.

I think you'd find the majority of bands aren't ever relevant (like most humans).

> and some of us are fruitier than others

some are peachy, some are sour.

> and explosions and people shooting each other in every other 80's buddy
> cop flick doesnt?

Explosions and fire works are not considered as violence, we all know it isn't real.
Plastic scenes with a lot of blood were something rather new.

> ok, how many times has CSI brought someone in who had a few bullet holes
> in them?

They need to kill people in more exciting ways than this, but sometimes they do.

> really? they want a 30 year old woman who has children over Hillary Duff?

You'd be surprised. And what do you think The Graduate was all about?
But in general I find that humans need erotica and not explicit nudity,
for that they have porno. It also needs to be credible, most men don't
encounter supermodels in their daily lives.
Partial nudity if done right is more sexy and exciting than explicit nudity.
Maybe women enjoy erotica more than men.

> i guess, but they just know to show up somewhere and start firing at bad
> guys. i like having a bit of mystery thrown in.

Of course they have to do it in some logical context, but you need to do things a bit more hectic to make it interesting. Otherwise you might as well watch Cops.

> a few aren't bad. some i stay far away from like the ones where someone
> visits a psychic and are told they are going to meet a guy named Bill who
> is flying to paris.

You're right. As Good As It Gets is a good example of how to make a movie of this kind.
I can enjoy and appreciate a film, which hasn't got the romantic story as its core and basis, and is done with subtlety.

> the two things are quite different. i'm more interesting in the lewis and
> clark trip because of the scenery they were showing in the documentary.
> the franklin one was interesting because they found some of the members
> mummified in the ice and they could do testing on them to give some clue
> as to what happened, not to mention that the survivors were left to wander
> in those arctic conditions for years before they died.

I'm sure it was very exciting charting and exploring America for the first time. Much more than exploring endless ice plains (and ending up dead and half-eaten).

 

[suzanne]

Re: Lewis & Clark Do America

> I think you'd find the majority of bands aren't ever relevant (like most
> humans).

but sometimes, irrelevant bands are relevant to irrelevant people

> some are peachy, some are sour.

i like bitter myself

> Explosions and fire works are not considered as violence, we all know it
> isn't real.

otherwise, the chinese will have outdone us by several thousand years.

> Plastic scenes with a lot of blood were something rather new.

maybe, but have you seen a play staged in someone's livingroom where someone is brandishing hammers, drills, and clothing irons on someone? i did last night. makes me glad that i don't belong to any organization that uses that stuff.

> They need to kill people in more exciting ways than this, but sometimes
> they do.

like the movie Seven?

> You'd be surprised. And what do you think The Graduate was all about?

but that's a movie!

speaking of that, in church there is this guy that i thought was kinda cute and played guitar with the mini-band they have. i assumed he was in college, but was surprised this afternoon when he joined to sing with the youth choir this afternoon!

but at lunch i heard him talking about having to go to work, so he's not THAT young. :^P

> But in general I find that humans need erotica and not explicit nudity,
> for that they have porno. It also needs to be credible, most men don't
> encounter supermodels in their daily lives.

they don't, but it doesn't stop them from hoping.

> Partial nudity if done right is more sexy and exciting than explicit
> nudity.
> Maybe women enjoy erotica more than men.

women actually enjoy written erotica more which is why romance novels are so popular.

maybe its not that its written, but more that there is a set-up to the event that gets women in the mood more than simply looking at a picture of a naked man.

> Of course they have to do it in some logical context, but you need to do
> things a bit more hectic to make it interesting. Otherwise you might as
> well watch Cops.

on rare occasions, i don't mind watching cops because its real stuff. even if its a show about mardi gras in new orleans and the endless parade of drunk people getting into fights, these are still real people instead of an endless stream of henchmen.

> You're right. As Good As It Gets is a good example of how to make a movie
> of this kind.
> I can enjoy and appreciate a film, which hasn't got the romantic story as
> its core and basis, and is done with subtlety.

i couldn't get into that movie that much. maybe it was helen hunt...

> I'm sure it was very exciting charting and exploring America for the first
> time. Much more than exploring endless ice plains (and ending up dead and
> half-eaten).

they weren't really exploring the ice as much as looking for an all-water passage to sail through north america. that in itself is daunting, but they were given the highest tech ship of its time and a several year supply of canned food which was a new invention...however, little did they know that this canned food was soldered improperly with lead....so it was ironic that they were given what was considered the best stuff, but were killed by it in the end. well, not only that, but when they were wandering around in the cold, they refused to adapt any of the survival techniques that the eskimos had because they didn't want to live like "savages" and ended up dying from starvation because of it.

the lewis and clark thing...they were lucky to be in a warmer climate, basically because they suffered from that same sort of mentality of not really wanting to adapt to their surroundings.

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Lewis & Clark Do America

> but sometimes, irrelevant bands are relevant to irrelevant people

how true ...

> i like bitter myself

but most people are coconuts, a bit nutty and hard on the outside, soft on the inside.

> otherwise, the chinese will have outdone us by several thousand years.

The Chinese have outdone us in a number of fields by thousands of years,
but other fields they stayed very well behind.

> maybe, but have you seen a play staged in someone's livingroom where
> someone is brandishing hammers, drills, and clothing irons on someone? i
> did last night. makes me glad that i don't belong to any organization that
> uses that stuff.

yeah, I think it's taking it a bit too far.
those cops should take it easy.

> like the movie Seven?

yeah, when he sends them the head, that's something new and disgusting.

> but that's a movie!

a movie is usually based upon something, some story, some human condition.

> speaking of that, in church there is this guy that i thought was kinda
> cute and played guitar with the mini-band they have. i assumed he was in
> college, but was surprised this afternoon when he joined to sing with the
> youth choir this afternoon!

> but at lunch i heard him talking about having to go to work, so he's not
> THAT young. :^P

We've got a little Mrs. Robinson here
He's 35, he just loves to sing with the choir.

> they don't, but it doesn't stop them from hoping.

Nothing can stop us from hoping.
"my only mistake is I'm hoping" (based on a true story )
"Oh I tried, I really really tried".

> women actually enjoy written erotica more which is why romance novels are
> so popular.

There are many reasons for something to be popular and enjoyment isn't necessarily one of them, but I guess you're right.

> maybe its not that its written, but more that there is a set-up to the
> event that gets women in the mood more than simply looking at a picture of
> a naked man.

I believe that because the brain is responsible for our sexual awareness and arousal, there is no real need in nudity to provoke it. We are programmed to react to nudity and specific parts of the anatomy, but essentially the connotations in one's mind and an erotic story can essentially achieve the same result. I think this is true for both women and men.
I also think it's quite disgusting how we just can't help ourselves, it's an in-built impulse that we just can't control.

> on rare occasions, i don't mind watching cops because its real stuff. even
> if its a show about mardi gras in new orleans and the endless parade of
> drunk people getting into fights, these are still real people instead of
> an endless stream of henchmen.

I agree it's very amusing, but it doesn't answer the same needs, it lacks action most of the time. Watching 'beer belly' officers running isn't a pleasant sight.

> i couldn't get into that movie that much. maybe it was helen hunt...

Yeah I couldn't stand Mad About You, but she managed not to ruin this one.

> they weren't really exploring the ice as much as looking for an all-water
> passage to sail through north america. that in itself is daunting, but
> they were given the highest tech ship of its time and a several year
> supply of canned food which was a new invention...however, little did they
> know that this canned food was soldered improperly with lead....so it was
> ironic that they were given what was considered the best stuff, but were
> killed by it in the end. well, not only that, but when they were wandering
> around in the cold, they refused to adapt any of the survival techniques
> that the eskimos had because they didn't want to live like
> "savages" and ended up dying from starvation because of it.

Technology can kill. I certainly wouldn't agree to being a 'test pilot'.
It has glory written on one side and death on the other.
I admire their courage and will power to refrain from changing their ways.
I honestly think that had been depended on people like me, we would have never left the caves. Do you ever wonder what would happen if there's be a nuclear holocaust and you need to start rebuilding from scratch?
I don't know how things work, we hardly ever think about it, we just take it for granted.

> the lewis and clark thing...they were lucky to be in a warmer climate,
> basically because they suffered from that same sort of mentality of not
> really wanting to adapt to their surroundings.

just now people begin to understand the vast knowledge the natives had in Australia and I guess it's true for America too.

 

[suzanne]

Re: Lewis & Clark Do America

> how true ...

> but most people are coconuts, a bit nutty and hard on the outside, soft on
> the inside.

or avocodos: fatty outside, stone pit on the inside

> The Chinese have outdone us in a number of fields by thousands of years,
> but other fields they stayed very well behind.

like telemarketing.

> yeah, I think it's taking it a bit too far.
> those cops should take it easy.

> yeah, when he sends them the head, that's something new and disgusting.

don't you mean when someone is forced to eat until they die?

> a movie is usually based upon something, some story, some human condition.

even movies based upon true stories are fictionalized. have you read "catch me if you can" and seen the movie? similar, but very different.

> We've got a little Mrs. Robinson here
> He's 35, he just loves to sing with the choir.

no, he's probably more like 17.....which is of no interest in me because i can't relate to someone who is getting ready for college.

> Nothing can stop us from hoping.

sometimes. other times you just get really tired.

> "my only mistake is I'm hoping" (based on a true story )
> "Oh I tried, I really really tried".

> There are many reasons for something to be popular and enjoyment isn't
> necessarily one of them, but I guess you're right.

> I believe that because the brain is responsible for our sexual awareness
> and arousal, there is no real need in nudity to provoke it. We are
> programmed to react to nudity and specific parts of the anatomy, but
> essentially the connotations in one's mind and an erotic story can
> essentially achieve the same result. I think this is true for both women
> and men.
> I also think it's quite disgusting how we just can't help ourselves, it's
> an in-built impulse that we just can't control.

uh...yes! yes! we can't control ourselves...

> I agree it's very amusing, but it doesn't answer the same needs, it lacks
> action most of the time. Watching 'beer belly' officers running isn't a
> pleasant sight.

it does it for me, along with seeing gnarly feet with yellow toenails.

> Yeah I couldn't stand Mad About You, but she managed not to ruin this one.

> Technology can kill. I certainly wouldn't agree to being a 'test pilot'.
> It has glory written on one side and death on the other.
> I admire their courage and will power to refrain from changing their ways.
> I honestly think that had been depended on people like me, we would have
> never left the caves. Do you ever wonder what would happen if there's be a
> nuclear holocaust and you need to start rebuilding from scratch?
> I don't know how things work, we hardly ever think about it, we just take
> it for granted.

i say that we round up the high functioning autistic types for that job. after all, many of them write a lot of the software that we use...and there is also a theory that Newton had autism.

i still wonder if i would die in the radiation fallout. i always feel like i'm in the wrong place, so i probably won't have to worry about it unless i'm lying around maimed.

> just now people begin to understand the vast knowledge the natives had in
> Australia and I guess it's true for America too.

i think our problem is that we seperate ourselves too much from nature and try to create this bubble outside of it and it causes problems....

saying that as vaguely as i can....blah!

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Lewis & Clark Do America

> or avocodos: fatty outside, stone pit on the inside

I would like to make a salad out of certain people.

> like telemarketing.

like birth control.

> don't you mean when someone is forced to eat until they die?

That movie didn't leave a mark on me, I just remember the head, sorry.
I find it impossible though. You can choke on food, but not die of
over feeding.

> even movies based upon true stories are fictionalized. have you read
> "catch me if you can" and seen the movie? similar, but very
> different.

No, but if you could list the main points of difference.
I know he didn't look Leonardo DiCaprio.
We all love to embellish reality (some more than others).

> no, he's probably more like 17.....which is of no interest in me because i
> can't relate to someone who is getting ready for college.

Oh, you like them even younger

> sometimes. other times you just get really tired.

> uh...yes! yes! we can't control ourselves...

When you look at sex in rational eyes it is certainly astonishing and revolting.

> it does it for me, along with seeing gnarly feet with yellow toenails.

I love the domestic disputes.

Oh I read your journal, now I know what you talked about with those clothing irons ... people really have nothing better to do?
Were the objects of abuse insurance people? That would account for a lot.

> i say that we round up the high functioning autistic types for that job.
> after all, many of them write a lot of the software that we use...and
> there is also a theory that Newton had autism.

Yeah, we'd get Rain Man to count our cards or matches.
Autistic people have the dumbest special abilities, like being human computers.
I saw one who apparently has a photographic memory.
He draws from memory buildings he saw and gets the number of windows right
each time and all the little details.
Sure, that may come in handy

I don't know if there's such thing as a functioning autistic.
The people you talk about, like Newton, are just not very friendly.
Society is great in stigmatizing people who are a bit or a lot different.

> i still wonder if i would die in the radiation fallout. i always feel like
> i'm in the wrong place, so i probably won't have to worry about it unless
> i'm lying around maimed.

I guess since you're in Bush's home state, you're safe.

> i think our problem is that we seperate ourselves too much from nature and
> try to create this bubble outside of it and it causes problems....

We've become too spoiled I fear.

> saying that as vaguely as i can....blah!

that's a legitimate way of saying it.