If only Morrissey were a nice man

Re: Jimmy wake up!

If you'd "moved on" you wouldn't be here would you?
 
Re: you idiot

Read his further comments on this board and you might have to revise your opinion
 
Re: you idiot

> While you both make valid points, calling him an Idiot is wrong and
> complete bollocks. I agree at least with Jimmy's view that YATQ is very
> mediocre, and while i don't agree with everything he says he certainly
> isn't an idiot!

No he may not be an idiot but he certainly seems to waste his own time by participating in a web site discussing somebody he gives no "validity" too. Why?

I certainly would not be bothered doing that.

I would not consider myself to be a dork by the way and I have not been to a Morrissey all nighter in my life. I have a very varied and large taste in music. Different bands for different moods etc. I too was into the Mondays and did the Madchester thing and still enjoy going on the dance scene and dj in spare time. I do not by the way wear flowers hanging out of my arse or wear a hearing aid, the stereotype I think you suggest. Personally I prefer trackies and rockports. You are not the unique person you seem to make out. Just because people like Morrissey doesn't mean than they only like Morrissey and that they are these sad dorks you are picturing. You seem to suggest you are different from everybody else. I think you would be surprised to find that is completely untrue.
 
Re: Jimmy wake up!

> If you'd "moved on" you wouldn't be here would you?
Oh Man,
you are sad, I've come here tday for the first time, but it isn't a discussion site it's a 24hr Morrissey cock-adoration site, people talking about what aftershave hes wears - Christ!
I'm actually quite astounded by the paucity of intellect here considering you all like a man who (has) been the most literate man in British music. Lots of sad 14 yr-old yes you are no I'm not merchants. But I'm quite tempted to ruffle your comfort blankets a bit more in future
 
Re: you idiot

> No he may not be an idiot but he certainly seems to waste his own time by
> participating in a web site discussing somebody he gives no
> "validity" too. Why?

> I certainly would not be bothered doing that.

> I would not consider myself to be a dork by the way and I have not been to
> a Morrissey all nighter in my life. I have a very varied and large taste
> in music. Different bands for different moods etc. I too was into the
> Mondays and did the Madchester thing and still enjoy going on the dance
> scene and dj in spare time. I do not by the way wear flowers hanging out
> of my arse or wear a hearing aid, the stereotype I think you suggest.
> Personally I prefer trackies and rockports. You are not the unique person
> you seem to make out. Just because people like Morrissey doesn't mean than
> they only like Morrissey and that they are these sad dorks you are
> picturing. You seem to suggest you are different from everybody else. I
> think you would be surprised to find that is completely untrue.

There we go,
another person who obviously doesn't understand the meaning of verbal comprehension, at what point did I say I was unique. This all started off because I said, and I believe quite rightly Morrissey has let himself down over the years. The reason I give a shit, is because he isn't Nick Kershaw or f*****g Robbie williams or some other No-hoper, that, if you bothered to read and understand was the point. Yes I made comments about what I think Morrissey is like as an individual and I feel I have every right to do that, I think it is part of the reason that he has stagnated, he hesn't matured as an adult in many ways and I think his music has been held back as a result. If you do have such a varied selection of music I honestly cannot believe that you don't afree he is not as good as he was, and is capable of better.
 
I recognise this need to want Morrissey to be different than he is, but actually the fact that he doesn't meet our requirements is exactly what makes him such an interesting artist. It's a total paradox that Morrissey is so difficult to like and yet has such a huge personality cult and following - he goes out of his way to be disagreeable, his songs never meet us half way so we have to put real effort in to like them, he uses cliches and lyrics that just say what they mean in language that is upsetting to someone who wants 'poetry'. Vitriolic adolecent energy is at the heart of his art and without it he would be something else, and much less interesting. You can't expect his output now to be anthing like that of the Smiths - but I personally think that YATQ is a wonderful thing in it's own terms and actually sums Morrissey up perfectly.

> Morrissey's YATQ is a very, very mediocre album at very best. His latest
> offering would have had the young Morrissey unleashing a verbal
> 'cat-o-ninetails' upon its creator. Unfortunately morrissey has become a
> parody of himself, and has chosen, lazily, in my opinion to carry on down
> the cul-de-sac of - I hate, I'm spiteful, will you pity me - and mined the
> lode until it was barren.
> I find this very sad in Morrissey's case as, as an artist he had so many
> possible routes to go down and although very different could have taken a
> leaf from Bowies earlier work and attempts at different moods/flavours. I
> was in Stretford when the Siths started and I believe 'This Charming
> Man'played an absolutely fundememtal role in their legendary status.
> Without that track there would be a gaping broadside in the Smiths legend.
> Why he never chose to explore that more 'poetic abandon' style I'll never
> know, he could have made wonderful records in that vein, I feel.
> I have also sadly come to the conclusion as I have got older that although
> Morrissey was a hero to the young me, I realise now that I would probably
> find him a self-important, untrustworthy, baby if I knew him as an adult.
> With regard to the Smiths demise only one person has shown themselves to
> have a shred of decency, and that is Johnny Marr. He always gets the blame
> for walking out on the band (Morrissey never denies this, always milking
> the sympathy points)and thus splitting them up. Yet why doesn't Morrissey
> be a man about it and admit that he, and he alone could never get on with
> anyone, always wanted people fired but never had the balls to do it,
> Johnny had to. Then not content with that Morrissey would run home to
> mummy in Altrincham while Johnny was left to run the dayato day. Just look
> at Johnny's face around 'The Queen & Strangeways' then look at
> Morrissey's, it's pretty clear who was carrying the burden of the band at
> that time.
> Morrissey has since managed to alienate even the people he viewed as idols
> whilst young, and then stabbed them in the back. Unfettered vitriole is a
> wonderful thing in a 24 year old, at 43 you sound like a dried up old maid
> (albeit a male version). No, unfortunately Morrissey was a hero to the
> young 'Me', however now I feel he is very much carved from the same block
> as those miserable spiteful swines who ran Roman Catholic schools in
> Manchester, I should know I went to one.
 
Re: Jimmy wake up!

> Oh Man,
> you are sad, I've come here tday for the first time, but it isn't a
> discussion site it's a 24hr Morrissey cock-adoration site, people talking
> about what aftershave hes wears - Christ!
> I'm actually quite astounded by the paucity of intellect here considering
> you all like a man who (has) been the most literate man in British music.
> Lots of sad 14 yr-old yes you are no I'm not merchants. But I'm quite
> tempted to ruffle your comfort blankets a bit more in future

Yawn....
 
Re: Jimmy wake up!

> Oh Man,
> you are sad, I've come here tday for the first time, but it isn't a
> discussion site it's a 24hr Morrissey cock-adoration site, people talking
> about what aftershave hes wears - Christ!
> I'm actually quite astounded by the paucity of intellect here considering
> you all like a man who (has) been the most literate man in British music.
> Lots of sad 14 yr-old yes you are no I'm not merchants. But I'm quite
> tempted to ruffle your comfort blankets a bit more in future

We don't really do discussion on here. The music means what it means to you and that seems to be enough for most people. It is odd, I admit, but also rather nice. Most internet fan sites do go in for endless discussions of the music but over time I've come to admire the fact that even the most objectionable posters on this site recognise that each person's opinion of the music carries equal weight. All this one-up-manship about 1983 is really cheap and nasty. That's just an accident of birth and it doesn't necessarily make you more insightful. Even if it did, it's not an attitude 'we' encourage.

So, instead of doing the usual internet musical discussions most people log on looking for news and making the occassional 'shallow' comment. If you want accurate information on tickets for upcoming gigs or where to find a nice download of a concert bootleg or TV show or scans/trnascripts of magazine/newspaper articles then this is the place for you. If you want to do the usual internet fan thing then it's not.

Deep thoughts we tend to keep to ourselves, which seems not inappropriate. You may think you're ruffling feathers but all I see is a reluctance to engage in a pissing contest. I know these people have mouths just as vitriolic as yours but if they're not using them it's because they have chosen not to.
 
Re: you idiot

> This is amazing,
> you people are very, very defensive and then accuse me of exactly that, at
> no point did I say I was the oracle or that 'I decree today that Morrissey
> is shite and you shall not have an opinion' I expressed my opinion. I do
> believe that is still allowed, is it not?
> I am not insecure because I criticise somebody's work, what kind of DIY
> homecooked psychology books have you been reading. By your standards, we
> would all dance around all day saying somebody's wonderful, and woe betide
> you if you have a different opinion, is that ahealthy debate? I think not.
> Morrissey was most definitely obsessed with being a pop star first and
> foremost, my cousin went to college with the man and he even told her so
> at 16. you are mis-guided if you think the man was on a one-man crusade to
> bring people out of their bedrooms, he wanted to be a star period, he just
> chose a very angular way to do it. Again not a problem he was (and
> probably is) massively talented. I just honestly believe there are whole
> tracts of potential that he has never opened up, or has done in very brief
> spells.
> As for money...'Money changes everything' can't remeber who said that
> right now!
> If you're listening to some ropey candy-floss rock band you don't give a
> toss about authenticity, but if lyrics and emotion are important to you
> then YES of course you demand that such emotions are genuine. I'm sorry
> but first of the gang to die and references to 'Hector' oh deary deary
> deary me, I can hear the cash registers in the latino record shops. Is
> this really the same man who refused to make videos and signed to rough
> Trade?
Jimmy, couldn't agree with you more, I'm just wondering who exactly owns him now, Is it the Italian connection (you know who his latest friends are) or maybe the American media tycoons...who are all run by....well don't we all know that by now. The comeback after seven years was a little, unexpected, shall we say! I love the man dearly, but it all seems a little strange to me? No? Maybe I'm just more cynical than most. I smell a rat in a convent garden, but thats me. Any comments?
 
Re: you idiot

'my cousin went to college with the man and he even told her so
> at 16.

You're cousin wasn't named Anne-Marie or Jenny was she?!
 
get off the stage old man

morrissey:

GET OFF THE STAGE OLD MAN!

> I recognise this need to want Morrissey to be different than he is, but
> actually the fact that he doesn't meet our requirements is exactly what
> makes him such an interesting artist. It's a total paradox that Morrissey
> is so difficult to like and yet has such a huge personality cult and
> following - he goes out of his way to be disagreeable, his songs never
> meet us half way so we have to put real effort in to like them, he uses
> cliches and lyrics that just say what they mean in language that is
> upsetting to someone who wants 'poetry'. Vitriolic adolecent energy is at
> the heart of his art and without it he would be something else, and much
> less interesting. You can't expect his output now to be anthing like that
> of the Smiths - but I personally think that YATQ is a wonderful thing in
> it's own terms and actually sums Morrissey up perfectly.
 
Re: you idiot

> Do you think anyone cares what Morrissey is like "as a person?"
> His art is beautiful and moving. That's why we listen.

> Besides, your failure to understand Morrissey's predicament in life really
> just betrays your ignorance about the Smiths and his work. Artists are
> interesting and often strange people - Morrissey is a great artist. If he
> were "normal" I doubt his art would be quite as fascinating as
> it is.

> You on the other hand are a tedious, monotonous critic. This wouldn't be
> so bad if your opinions were well expressed - alas you type up a couple of
> half-formed "thoughts" and whine about how Morrissey has - shock
> horror - remained true to himself in spite of his advancing years. Or as
> you put it: "become a parody of himself."
You're correct! Plus that pup can't even spell nor express himself. It's a 20 something know it all, which you're age is the only true thing here. It's as if debating with someone of half your age and tons of your *supposed* intelligence. We are the elders now, and your youthful, impetuous opinion means nothing. Wait until you grow up a bit, will you? Then we will ( maybe ) take you halfway seriously.
 
Re: get off the stage old man

> morrissey:

> GET OFF THE STAGE OLD MAN!
Morrissey, meeting "YOUR REQUIREMENTS"?????? What gall.
 
Re: you idiot

> 'my cousin went to college with the man and he even told her so

> You're cousin wasn't named Anne-Marie or Jenny was she?!

Yes, she's now called Anne-Marie O'Hara, but was Anne Marie McVeigh at the time
 
Re: you idiot

> You're correct! Plus that pup can't even spell nor express himself. It's a
> 20 something know it all, which you're age is the only true thing here.
> It's as if debating with someone of half your age and tons of your
> *supposed* intelligence. We are the elders now, and your youthful,
> impetuous opinion means nothing. Wait until you grow up a bit, will you?
> Then we will ( maybe ) take you halfway seriously.

Well, for someone who speaks with a great deal of authority, you got everything wrong - I'm 37 last time I looked that wasn't 'in your twenties' much as I wish it were! Now I know you have to be American, as whenever debating anything on any newsgroup Yanks have this habit of talking about half-formed idiotic statements. Yet your education system obviously doesn't inform you that making sweeping accusations like that without a coherent argument backing it up, makes YOU, yes that's right the spotty fat girl at the back of class, stop picking your nose! look like the fool.
Please, please, please put me down but at least do it in a witty, cogent and articulate way, otherwise you're just a boor. ( I have a suspicion here, let's see?)
 
Re: get off the stage old man

his requirements dumb dumb

> Morrissey, meeting "YOUR REQUIREMENTS"?????? What gall.
 
> I'm sure it's quite easy to hear gossip.
yes it is, you open your f***ing ears you sad lonely dweeb!
f***ing loser
 
I couldn't even be bothered to read that nonsense.

Now go away and play with your toys like a good little boy.
 
>
> what is this trash that people feel the need to devalue 'quarry'? i don't understand it in the slightest. but seemingly some individuals believe it is their duty to critise art, and although i freely acknowledge the interpratation of such art is subjective, to have such a glaringly wrong point of view, and to spread it around like manure is just a foolish thing to do.
also, am i the only one who is beyond tired of hearing, in regards to any male who has the audacity to verbalise their feelings, as lacking reproductive equipment? that by saying 'i feel...' is such an emasculation? i take liberty to say that i fear not for morrissey's testicles, and i do wish the imbecile who initiated this topic would not fear for them as well.
 
> also, am i the only one who is beyond tired of hearing, in regards to any
> male who has the audacity to verbalise their feelings, as lacking
> reproductive equipment? that by saying 'i feel...' is such an
> emasculation? i take liberty to say that i fear not for morrissey's
> testicles, and i do wish the imbecile who initiated this topic would not
> fear for them as well.

Excuse me, I think you need a doctor!
Where exactly was it that mentioned I his testicles, or anything remotely connected, have you been outside lately?
You really ought to!
 
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