Please score these Morrissey/Tobias tracks

[Mayfly]

I'll work through this tomorrow & add the data. Thanks.

No need to rush & sorry for messing up the order.

 

[Mike Rourke]

He’s written Morrissey’s joint biggest ever UK hit, Smiths included.

Well, highest chart position.
Many other singles (Smiths and post-Smiths) sold tons more.
And it hardly got any airplay (a lot less than Spent the Day in Bed, for example) so it isn't a well-known song even in the Morrissey world.
But it did reach #3 and had it come out a week earlier, it would have even sold enough to reach #1.

 

[Thewlis]

Still on Spotify it is in the top-10 of most streamed Morrissey songs.
It certainly was a huge factor too in bringing Ringleader to number 1.

 

[Jamie]

@Mike Rourke can you give me a score for The Night Pop Dropped? I see a '?', or is that meant to be a 7?

@Jamie can you review I Thought You Were Dead, and provide a score?

I'll score it an 8.

 

[Name]

1. All You Need Is Me 6/10
2. Children In Pieces 6/10
3. Forgive Someone 7/10
4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain 6/10
5. I Bury The Living 6/10
6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy 8/10
7. I Knew I Was Next 5/10
8. I Live In Oblivion 10/10
9. I Thought You Were Dead 1/10
10. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me 8/10
11. I'm Not A Man 9/10
12. I'm OK By Myself 8/10
13. In The Future When All's Well 8/10
14. Jim Jim Falls 6/10
15. Kerouac's Crack 2/10
16. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle 7/10
17. Kiss Me A Lot 9/10
18. Knockabout World 10/10
19. My Hurling Days Are Done 8/10
20. On The Streets I Ran 7/10
21. Once I Saw The River Clean 9/10
22. Once Upon A Woman's Body 2/10
23. People Are The Same Everywhere 2/10
24. Smiler With Knife 6/10
25. Sorry Doesn't Help 8/10
26. The Bullfighter Dies 6/10
27. The Night Pop Dropped 5/10
28. The Youngest Was The Most Loved 9/10
29. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? 9/10
30. When You Open Your Legs 7/10
31. You Don't Need Their Approval 1/10
32. You Have Killed Me 10/10

 

[William Fisher]

Roughly in order of preference, from best to worst

Forgive someone 9
I am not a man 9
Once I saw the river clean 9
My hurling days are done 8
What kind of people 8
Knockabout world 8
You have killed me 8
I live in oblivion 8
Smiler with knife 8
I wish you was dead 7
Bullfighter dies 7
In the future when all is well 7
All you need is me 7
I know I was next 7
Night pop dropped 7
I bury the living 7
The youngest was the most loved 7
I am not a dog on a chain 6
Jim Jim falls 6
Kiss me a lot 6
people are the same everywhere 6
I am OK by myself 6
Sorry doesn’t help us 6
If you don’t like me, don’t look at me 6
On the streets I ran 6
Children in pieces 6
Once upon a woman’s body 6
When you open your legs 5
I want to see the boy happy 5
Kick the bride 5
Kerouack’s crack 4
I don’t need your approval 4
The kid’s a locker 2

7 or higher are songs that I like, 6 are songs that I feel rather indifferent about, 5 or lower are songs that I wish had never seen the light of day. I have tried to focus more on the tune, but abstracting from the lyrics altogether is not easy.

The Kid’s A Looker was a low, wasn’t it?

 

[gordyboy9]

It's a good crop. I like Jesse Tobias. Someone on here recently called him a "metal guru" and I thought that was apt. Other people criticize him for writing undistinguished "chug rock," which I guess is fair, but Morrissey can elevate generic material to greatness, and weren't Whyte and Boorer writing a bit of chug rock on Southpaw Grammar? I enjoy most of these Tobias songs. Without going through and rating them --/10, quickly:

Edit: Completed list.

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All You Need Is Me (10)​

Children In Pieces (9)​

Forgive Someone (4)​

I Am Not A Dog On A Chain (2)​

I Bury The Living (10)​

I Just Want To See The Boy Happy (7)​

I Knew I Was Next (5)​

I Thought You Were Dead (3)​

If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me (9)​

I'm Not A Man (6)​

I'm OK By Myself (7)​

In The Future When All's Well (7)​

Jim Jim Falls (2)​

Kick The Bride Down The Aisle (8)​

Kiss Me A Lot (1)​

Knockabout World (1)​

My Hurling Days Are Done (7)​

On The Streets I Ran (5)​

Once I Saw The River Clean (4)​

People Are The Same Everywhere (9)​

Smiler With Knife (8)​

Sorry Doesn't Help (7)​

The Bullfighter Dies (10)​

The Night Pop Dropped (5)​

The Youngest Was The Most Loved (8)​

What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? (10)​

When You Open Your Legs (4)​

You Have Killed Me (10)​

aubrey,4 for forgive someone,we are polar opposites on this one,10 from me.

 

[gordyboy9]

The Kid’s A Looker was a low, wasn’t it?

ossie i think if you take out the la la bit there could be a decent song in there,like the fact there is a story in the lyrics.

 

[gordyboy9]

I Live In Oblivion - 9
Kerouac's Crack - 2
You Don't Need Their Approval - 0
Once Upon A Woman's Body - 0

smithy you cant give 0,its a 1 or nothing,its in your contract which i bet you never even read,payment withheld.

 

[TheSmiths_1985]

smithy you cant give 0,its a 1 or nothing,its in your contract which i bet you never even read,payment withheld.

Yeah, I know, I added a post later to change the zeros to ones.

 

[gordyboy9]

good to see world war 3 hasnt broken out in this thread,still time i suppose.
one thing this poll shows is that jesse isnt the chug rock specialist that the haters suggest,he is a very good musician and will be with M till he retires,vivajesse.

 

[gordyboy9]

Yeah, I know, I added a post later to change the zeros to ones.

yeah noticed that as i was reading through the comments,payment on the way.

 

[William Fisher]

1. All You Need Is Me 5/10
2. Children In Pieces 4/10
3. Forgive Someone 5/10
4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain 4/10
5. I Bury The Living 2/10
6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy 5/10
7. I Knew I Was Next 5/10
8. I Live In Oblivion 8/10
9. I Thought You Were Dead 4/10
10. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me 6/10
11. I'm Not A Man 3/10
12. I'm OK By Myself 6/10
13. In The Future When All's Well 6/10
14. Jim Jim Falls 8/10
15. Kerouac's Crack 4/10
16. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle 4/10
17. Kiss Me A Lot 5/10
18. Knockabout World 5/10
19. My Hurling Days Are Done 8/10
20. On The Streets I Ran 5/10
21. Once I Saw The River Clean 8/10
22. Once Upon A Woman's Body 4/10
23. People Are The Same Everywhere 3/10
24. Smiler With Knife 4/10
25. Sorry Doesn't Help 6/10
26. The Bullfighter Dies 6/10
27. The Night Pop Dropped 7/10
28. The Youngest Was The Most Loved 6/10
29. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? 6/10
30. When You Open Your Legs 5/10
31. You Don't Need Their Approval 4/10
32. You Have Killed Me 8/10

 

[JJKelsall]

I've never sat down and thought about the Jesse tracks specifically, but seeing this list I can see now why people think he's not the best. Still, some of his best work is his most recent stuff, so maybe he's getting better! Of the songs I know well enough to rate...

1. All You Need Is Me - 6
2. Children In Pieces - 3
3. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 6
4. I Bury The Living - 6
5. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 2
6. I Knew I Was Next - 5
7. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 3
8. I'm Not A Man - 3
9. I'm OK By Myself - 7
10. In The Future When All's Well - 5
11. Jim Jim Falls - 8
12. Kiss Me A Lot - 7
13. Knockabout World - 8
14. My Hurling Days Are Done - 10
15. On The Streets I Ran - 3
16. Once I Saw The River Clean - 9
17. People Are The Same Everywhere - 2
18. Sorry Doesn't Help - 6
19. The Bullfighter Dies - 7
20. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 5
21. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 8
22. When You Open Your Legs - 7
23. You Have Killed Me - 7

 

[karenina]

1. All You Need Is Me - 5
2. Children In Pieces - 6
3. Forgive Someone - 3
4. I Am Not A Dog On A Chain - 8
5. I Bury The Living - 6
6. I Just Want To See The Boy Happy - 6
7. I Knew I Was Next - 6
8. I Live In Oblivion - 9
9. I Thought You Were Dead - 9
10. If You Don't Like Me, Don't Look At Me - 6
11. I'm Not A Man - 5
12. I'm OK By Myself - 6
13. In The Future When All's Well - 6
14. Jim Jim Falls - 8
15. Kerouac's Crack - 1
16. Kick The Bride Down The Aisle - 6
17. Kiss Me A Lot - 4
18. Knockabout World - 4
19. My Hurling Days Are Done - 5
20. On The Streets I Ran - 6
21. Once I Saw The River Clean - 5
22. Once Upon A Woman's Body - 3
23. People Are The Same Everywhere - 4
24. Smiler With Knife - 8
25. Sorry Doesn't Help - 6
26. The Bullfighter Dies - 4
27. The Night Pop Dropped - 3
28. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 5
29. What Kind Of People Live In These Houses? - 5
30. When You Open Your Legs - 6
31. You Don't Need Their Approval - no idea but don't care to listen to it again
32. You Have Killed Me - 7

 

[Lucifer Sam]

I Live In Oblivion (8)
Kerouac's Crack (4)
You Don't Need Their Approval (2)
Once Upon A Woman's Body (5)

 

[Lucifer Sam]

aubrey,4 for forgive someone,we are polar opposites on this one,10 from me.

My tastes must be peculiar. So far no one shares my view that I Bury the Living is a ten. I think it’s a late period masterpiece: beautiful, disturbing, and wry. The music and the lyrics compliment each other perfectly.

 

[gordyboy9]

My tastes must be peculiar. So far no one shares my view that I Bury the Living is a ten. I think it’s a late period masterpiece: beautiful, disturbing, and wry. The music and the lyrics compliment each other perfectly.

iv always liked that and never got the controversy over it.

 

[BrokenFrame]

I love children in pieces, It has got a lot of low scores here.

 

[Deleted member 29227]

I'll score it an 8.

Could you rate these too, please?

• I Live In Oblivion
• Kerouac's Crack
• Once Upon A Woman's Body
  
• You Don't Need Their Approval