Would you sleep with Morrissey?

[whoamI]

yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes............................................................................

 

[CeciDeMorrissey]

Wow Jo! I thought that happened only in Chile!! Here's just the same situation... The J market is overpopulated and well it's a blessing to have a job in our field.

Thank you for the comment about my blog...

Lux thank you!! I already have that photo session, it's actually posted in last post on my blog... It's by Bryan Adams... The one where he's posing on the floor by the bed... OH MY MORRISSEY!!! He's the God of sexies there... I put it as wallpaper on my desktop hahaha.

 

[CeciDeMorrissey]

>>>>verdad: no, hay mas hermoso en el mundo entero

Lilikoi! That was good! Fantástico! Y es la verdad

Obssesed with him? Like obssesed? That's sort of a strong word... Mmmm... Everytime I see him on a video or a gorgeous photo, fever comes down on me, hahahaha.. But, physically I'd say that since I saw him in the cover of the YATQ album with all that classy, stylish, aged-to-the-perfection look I fell for him automatically, it blew my hormones. And what about you?

 

[lilikoi]

>>>>verdad: no, hay mas hermoso en el mundo entero

Lilikoi! That was good! Fantástico! Y es la verdad

Obssesed with him? Like obssesed? That's sort of a strong word... Mmmm... Everytime I see him on a video or a gorgeous photo, fever comes down on me, hahahaha.. But, physically I'd say that since I saw him in the cover of the YATQ album with all that classy, stylish, aged-to-the-perfection look I fell for him automatically, it blew my hormones. And what about you?

well, it´s really funny but i loved the smiths for many years without ever having seen their faces or known their names. i only became aware of moz solo recently when i saw him on tv at rock am ring this summer. i thought that was very good - but i thought he looked pretty old. then i found some young moz pix on the net and thought WOW. and then i got some old smith bootleg and saw him live all young and skinny and cute and fell in LOVE.
so, ceci, i will leave you the older one for your phantasies and take the flower butted skinny guy for mine - lol.

 

[CeciDeMorrissey]

Absolutely done!!

 

[nightandday]

I think women must be less interested in just 'sex' without any sort of romance or emotion attached to it - otherwise there would be somewhat of a porn industry for women. but there isn't really. and women do not go to male hookers either. Yes, it exists but it's almost null. I did an internet porn research looking for naked man and I could ONLY find gay sites - not a single one geared to women would pop up on google. that tells me that there is no demand - otherwise someone would have gone into business by now.

Women don't go to male hookers? Haven't you heard of gigolos? What else are they but male hookers, although not street-walking ones? There are lots of high-class female hookers as well.

Anyway... I agree that women on the whole are far less inclined to view sex as a purely physical thing than men are. (Which doesn't mean that there aren't women who are interested in sex as a purely physical thing - I am definitely not one, but I am aware that there are women who are like that. And there are also men who aren't interested in sex as a purely physical thing with no emotion attached. ) It's a big question how much of these attitudes are due to biological difference between men and women, and how much to the gender roles and cliches that we're all taught all our lives. It is very hard to say. (oh, the old and never-ending Nature vs Nurture debate!) There is definitely a difference, but I suspect it might be overemphasized and oversimplified. True, the psychological moment is more important to (most) women, but one shouldn't underestimate the importance of physicality to female sexual reactions. There might not be that many women who would get off on watching naked pictures of unknown men, but that doesn't mean that a woman would by no means ever be interested in seeing a picture of a naked man or couldn't be aroused by it... and it certainly doesn't mean that there aren't many women who would love to see a naked picture of a celebrity they like. I wouldn't be particularly interested or aroused by pictures of anonymous men, but I certainly like to see a naked or half-naked shot of a man I really like and find attractive and interesting. And I have visited some of the 'naked celebrity hunks' sites - many of them state that they're geered to the gay male population, but what's keeping women from visiting them? Nothing. I don't see how a regular nude/half-nude photo of a good-looking man could be specifically 'homoerotic' or geared towards gay men? If it's a picture of two or more men having sex, that's another matter, but this way... I don't see the difference. You have searched for pictures of naked men...that tells something. You might just go to the 'gay-geared' site and watch the pictures of naked male celebrities, so there's no need to make sites specifically geared to women, is there?

That's not my main point, though.

You seem to have severely misunderstood me. I said that the old myth that women are any less interested in sex than men is totally untrue. And as I said, I also think, just as you do, that women are generally are far less inclined to view sex as a purely physical thing than men are. These two theories are not at odds with each other. Why would you think they are?

There is a widespread belief that sex is, for the most part, a physical thing - for instance, there are many people who think that 'sexual attraction' and 'physical attraction' are interchangeable terms. Which is not true - sexual attraction and sexual arousal often depend on psychological factors. I believe that there is no greater aphrodisiac than being really, madly in love with someone - it makes for the strongest sexual arousal possible. (Of course, it goes the other way round too - physical attractiveness does play a big part in falling in love; for women, too). And it's not just love, or even just a desire for intimacy (not necessarily with a person you love) - people can get sexually aroused by a number of other feelings, for instance: a desire to assert themselves, to prove something to themselves and others, rebelliousness, a need to feel that they're attractive, a desire to be degraded and/or abused, a desire to degrade and/or abuse someone else, a wish to feel power over someone, revenge, anger, etc. The point is, phychological factors play a huge role in people's sexual feelings and reactions.

There is a big delusion that being interested in sex / driven by sex means being interested in sex as a purely physical thing, and wanting to have as much sex as possible, with any available (especially physically attractive) sex object; that it means being obsessed with tits or dicks and looking for porn, going to the prostitutes, being promiscuous etc. That's why people often make the wrong assumption that a person who deals with sexual themes a lot in their work must be promiscious, or at least must be having lots of sex, which quite often turns out not to be true at all - it can quite often be the opposite (poor old Mr. Freud has often been named as an example, but he's certainly not the only one). On the contrary, I would say that people whose sexual reactions are more complex, and less driven by pure physicality, are likely to view sex as a very important matter, and maybe to value it more; if sex and sexual feelings mean to you much more than just ordinary everyday exchange of fluids, then sexuality might permeate your whole personality, life, and work. Eroticism which goes beyond the mere physicality is far deeper and stronger.

So if there is a greater number of women who don't view sex as just a physical thing... you might even say that women are generally more interested in sex. female sexuality has been misunderstood for centuries - men seemed incapable of understanding how it was possible for women to either have no orgasm at all, or to have multiple orgasms; and it resulted in myths of women as saints/virgins and whores/nymphomaniacs.

But I also suspect that male sexuality is not that simple as sitcoms and commercials would make us believe. I think that the role of psychological factors in male sexuality is very much understimated.

 

[nightandday]

Anybody read the Stern report?

Sorry, wrong website.

What do you reckon the diameter of Morrissey's arse is.

Do you spend a lot of your time pondering questions like that one?

 

[nightandday]

The young Moz definetly is HOT [and I'd totally do him] but I prefer the man. It's part of my corporate/powerman fetish that I have these days.....I can't resist a handsome guy in a nice suit lol
I'm not the type of guy who gets crushes on the Brad Pitts or Colin Ferrels of the world [YUK!] I'd rather have a Senator George Allen or Rick Santorum in bed next to me than any young hollywood punk. Rick Santorum's facsist views and intense homophobia are the biggest turn-on for me....I'm going to miss seeing him looking great while he spews hate on C-Span....

You probably have a good chance with him, being that intensely homophobic he is very likely to be a closet homosexual, as you're probably aware.

 

[nightandday]

So what is the difference between you lot fantasing (let's be honest, quite embarrassingly) about Morrissey, and say some blokes fantasising about Girls aloud. You wouldn't let that kind of thing go unscalded would you.

The difference is that the bloke has a bad taste. There are far more attractive women to fantasize about than Girls Aloud.

You've reduced your idle to a sex object and as a result proved yourselves to be exactly the kind of people that you hate.

Who told you that being a sex object is a bad thing in itself?! I'm sure Morrissey himself is very happy to know that people find him sexually attractive - he's said so more than once. Why would an idol be 'reduced' or somehow degraded for being a sex object?! What a stupid cliche... Quite the opposite... it could be quite degrading and offensive if you implied that someone whom you allegedly admire is sexually unattractive. Maybe it's just you never felt like a sex object yourself, because nobody finds you attractive - is that why you're so bitter?

For christs sake just go out and get laid if it bothers you that much. Surely, when you're sat there, slipping off your chairs and getting pink faced over a balding, slightly chubby 45 year old man you must realise that things haven't quite worked out as planned.

First, what the hell do you know about anyone's sex life, and, second, and why should anyone 'just go out and get laid'? Some people might like to pick and choose who they have sex with, not just 'go out and get laid' with anybody. I know that's a concept that you can't grasp, with your mental capabilities. As Morrissey said, many people assume that you just HAVE to sleep with somebody - ANYBODY - so you would prove something, because in their mind sleeping alone means 'not being able to rope in anybody' And most people will settle for ANYBODY.

I don't understand this - you are on this thread, reading it and posting very often on it... and then you tell people that they are sad and they should get laid instead of doing the same? So where does that leave you??

 

[lilikoi]

night and day i agree with what you say. i also personally believe that the differences are cultural and social ones and not biological ones. brain scientists say that sex and love are 2 completely different things, by the way, and they have measured this recently by analyzing brainwaves. the conclusion: women do fall in love because they sense compatible genes in a mans physical appearance. but of course this is only an illusion of love. love grows out of this, or not. when love develops the brainwaves are different.
so, that´s the disillusioning scientific study i recently read...

 

[lilikoi]

yes, of course moz wants to be a sex symbol. noone is forcing him to behave that way on stage and lift his shirt all the time etc, he certainly would sell records without doing that stuff because he has a great voice and talent. now, as for all these ass and tit wiggling women on mtv, the sad thing is that they only are in business because of their half naked bodies - brains and talent not required nor desired. that is the big difference between being reduced to a sex object and combining intelligence with sensuality. i hope more women will be doing the latter eventually.

 

[left out]

Thanks to C-C for provoking the debate, though with rather simplistic jibes.
The whole fuss with the Aussie cleric was due to the underlying assumption that women are responsible for provoking lustful thoughts in men and so should be covered-
1)To discourage extramarital sex and so keep men “pure”.
2) to protect women from mens ungovernable desires.(ie she was asking for it).
Wrong! Desire is natural to both sexes and there is nothing bad about that in itself.
Personally I have no problem with men or women having enjoyable fantasies about whoever they want. However, the line is overstepped when the object-de-lust is leered at when clearly uninterested, or when one of a couple does not bother to hide their attraction to another person in order to provoke jealousy or as revenge.(disrespect)

Discussing with workmates we agreed…
That men have sexual fantasies they don’t want their partner to find out about, so they don’t tell. But they are uncomfortable when they see women have sexual fantasies, because they feel ashamed about their own. Also because they fear that their partner might act out their fantasies if they could get away with it, just like them…

I think you could easily reverse the genders in this argument.
I’m not saying it applies to everyone, but might be helpful in examining the underlying assumptions that are prevalent, but not always explicit.

I did find it rather funny that C-C was complaining that men were criticised for fantasising about barely dressed beauties with little musical talent, when Morrissey obviously aims to provoke desire in his audience with his shedding of clothing. What’s the difference? Enjoy while you can, and don’t worry about what others think.

 

[Scarlet Ibis]

Short of killing or emotionally abusing me, I think I'd allow Morrissey to do pretty much anything he wanted to my body... Unlikely as that is.

And, yes, it's interesting that there are more straight guys than gay guys who want to sleep with him... But you know, my husband is straight as an arrow, and even he looks conflicted for a moment when asked whether or not he'd have sex with Morrissey. I think he'd rather have a Moz-cuddle, but he probably wouldn't turn Morrissey down if he asked sweetly.

... Which both disturbs and arouses me. Haha.

 

[lilikoi]

mhhhh, if i had a husband i don´t think i´d fantasize about morrissey or any other hot celebrity. i only do this when there´s noone in my life. i guess i cannot spend a single second without beeing in love and lust with someone. and if there´s noone enticing in real life then i need someone imaginary. but if i met someone nice tommorrow i would stop unleashing my hormones on morrissey for sure.

 

[CeciDeMorrissey]

"Unleashing hormones on Morrissey"... I liked that phrase! hahahaha... That's what happens to me all the time I see his image or listen to his music...

Although, continuing with the debate, I totally agree with Leftout about that sexual desire is inherent to both men and women since the very begining. It just happened that for cultural reasons women's desire and sexuality have been supressed and repressed for ages through history.

And still with the last 50 years female liberation, well know is the fact that if a man sleeps with as many women as he wants at the same time, he's a super-man and everybody admires him, but if a woman does as many men as she wants, she's nothing but a whore...

And in Morrissey's case: Dear God, it's just too noticeable that he LOVES to play sexy in photos and on stage... He loves posing for pictures because he knows so well he's gorgeous and handsome and hot and attractive.. He finds himself so, he doesn't have to say it aloud, but with his behavior he totally shows that... Otherwise he wouldn't dress as he does and he wouldn't take care of his appeareance as much as he does... Because he's a little vain (just like any other hot man or woman) and he likes looking gorgeous in photographs and videos, just because he perfectly knows he IS gorgeous and capable of the wildest arousals among both sexes.

Leftout: I just realized your avatar was a painting (after you said so)... The only talented here is YOU! It seems a photograph! I would love to have my portrait painted by you if I had to.

 

[geisha_scarlet]

I can't say it! Yes, I would. I might faint first tho.. I'd tie him down, rip off his shirt and have my marry way with him... The man just get's better with age.

 

[CharlieFairhead]

I can't say it! Yes, I would. I might faint first tho.. I'd tie him down, rip off his shirt and have my marry way with him... The man just get's better with age.

haha well you really can't argue with that, a scarlet indeed...and Morrissey the lucky swine, of course.

Listen out for his knock at your door.

t'raaaa xxx

 

[CeciDeMorrissey]

Morrissey is like wine: the older, the more delicious... Exquisite... Sexy 'till hell.

 

[geisha_scarlet]

Oh and his hair!! I just want to run my long fingers thru that hair of his... Yum!

 

[Lor]

Hmm. So the 'Would you sleep with Morrissey' thread has now turned into the 'Morrissey Fantasy' thread. Ah, well. Keep going.