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"8 December 2014

Alternative Christmas Speech

Morrissey has politely declined an invitation from Channel 4 Television to deliver an Alternative Christmas Day Speech which would be transmitted at the same time that the Queen delivers her Christmas Day speech for the BBC.

Morrissey has commented:

"My view that the monarchy should be quietly dismantled for the good of England is reasonably well-known, but I don't think Christmas Day is quite the time to be trading slaps. The Queen should be allowed the impassioned trance of her annual address to the British people, if only to once again prove that, in her frozen posture, she has nothing to offer and nothing to say, and she has no place in modern Britain except as a figure of repression; no independent thought required. The Queen very well might be the most powerful woman in England, but she lacks the power to make herself loved, and the phony inflation of her family attacks all rational intellect.
All over the world highly civilized peoples exist without the automatic condescension of a 'royal' family. England can do the same, and will find more respect for doing so."

P.

 

[Pokey]

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If he's not interested in feedback from Consensual Reality, why is he 'sharing' this information with the wider world? And if he doesn't care what Consensual Reality thinks about his outbursts, how could he possibly have an insight into the likely reaction such that'he might be worried that this would come off as pretty desperate'?

If he's not 'keeping stock' of feedback from Consensual Reality then he is suffering from a mental illness. If he thinks he can put information into the public domain as part of his 'pop star' act yet avoid feedback from 'reality' then that is another symptom of mental illness.

Perhaps he is finally beginning to realise that the consensus view on his 'political' outbursts about the royals and 'the beckhams', etc, is that he is a pantomime comedy figure, not to be taken seriously. The only oddity in all this is that he would ever be considered for the 'Alternative Queen's Speech'. Perhaps they thought previous episodes were too high-brow and it was time from some Comic Relief from Stand-Up comic Morrissey.

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That isn't a symptom of mental illness, according to the DSM.

Maybe its about control ... when he talks on stage, on TTY, in interviews, its to his audience. It's people he knows read it or are there because of him. A broadcast christmas message is suddenly dealing with people who may never have ever heard of him, who hate him, who are indifferent to him, who thought he was dead etc... maybe that's a real missed opportunity, maybe he's a bit scared of it, maybe he has no interest in talking to people who aren't 'his' audience, maybe he feels it isn't his place in that arena .. i don't know. There's all sorts of reasons. People here are going to sit around and decide in their own minds why he does/doesn't do things. Everyone likes to think they're an armchair psychologist.

Everyone will sit around and dissect every little thing he does and want to put reason to it which will fit their own point of view or agenda. I don't know exactly why he isn't doing it. I don't know if it fits with previous decisions of why he has/hasn't done things before or if its a complete contradiction. All I know is that he isn't doing it and I'm glad because I don't want to hear it from him and I think it's probably for the best for him as its not the type of exposure that would probably help him.

I love Morrissey's music, he is my favourite artist of all time. I find some of his insight on things fascinating. But, I take it with a grain of salt, whatever he says and does is exactly that, whatever he says and does. It doesn't really have any bearing on me. I just want the music. But its just incredible the way some people here will pull everything he does apart and some further to that are just actively looking for things to hate about him.
If that's how they want to spend their time, then that's pretty sad, but, whatever.

You call it a self-inflicted PR debacle. To who? He was offered, he declined, he told us he declined, and that's that. The only ones making it into a PR debacle are people here. He's probably moved on to do something else.

To me, I'm more interested in finding out if a new album will be recorded in Feb or not.

 

[BrummieBoy]

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Maybe that's right, maybe he hasn't got the balls to do it. Or maybe he has and just doesn't want to. Whatever the case, I don't really care, but I think not doing it, for whatever reason, is the right thing to do.

You don't care, but also think not doing it, 'for whatever reason' is 'the right thing to do'.

Your thinking is almost as disorganised and illogical as Morrissey's bizarre 'explanation'.

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I don't give a flying f*** either way and I will buy his next album. All I am interested in is his music and none of the nonsense that drives all the shit spouted on here.

If that's the case, why are you commenting on this thread?

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[Anonymous]

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and probably tv watchers would not listen, as usual, to what he has to say, but just perceive him as an "alternative queen" or someone trying to compete with the royals. so, yes, i think declining was the best decision.

Morrissey trash talking the royals at 3pm on Christmas day would be a million times better than that Anaconda eating the guy show. Maybe Morrissey can give a shout out to his guy Obama kissing Williams ass today.

 

[CrystalGeezer]

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Now that I would tune in and watch

Oh holy night!
The stars are brightly shining
It is the night of the dear Savior's birth!
Long lay the world in sin and error pining
Till he appear'd and the soul felt its worth.
A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices
For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn!

Fall on your knees
Oh hear the angel voices
Oh night divine
Oh night when Christ was born
Oh night divine
Oh night divine

Led by the light of Faith serenely beaming
With glowing hearts by His cradle we stand
So led by light of a star sweetly gleaming
Here come the wise men from Orient land
The King of Kings lay thus in lowly manger
In all our trials born to be our friend

Truly He taught us to love one another
His law is love and His gospel is peace
Chains shall He break for the slave is our brother
And in His name all oppression shall cease
Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we,
Let all within us praise His holy name

 

[BrummieBoy]

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That isn't a symptom of mental illness, according to the DSM.

Maybe its about control ... when he talks on stage, on TTY, in interviews, its to his audience. It's people he knows read it or are there because of him. A broadcast christmas message is suddenly dealing with people who may never have ever heard of him, who hate him, who are indifferent to him, who thought he was dead etc... maybe that's a real missed opportunity, maybe he's a bit scared of it, maybe he has no interest in talking to people who aren't 'his' audience, maybe he feels it isn't his place in that arena .. i don't know. There's all sorts of reasons. People here are going to sit around and decide in their own minds why he does/doesn't do things. Everyone likes to think they're an armchair psychologist.

Everyone will sit around and dissect every little thing he does and want to put reason to it which will fit their own point of view or agenda. I don't know exactly why he isn't doing it. I don't know if it fits with previous decisions of why he has/hasn't done things before or if its a complete contradiction. All I know is that he isn't doing it and I'm glad because I don't want to hear it from him and I think it's probably for the best for him as its not the type of exposure that would probably help him.

I love Morrissey's music, he is my favourite artist of all time. I find some of his insight on things fascinating. But, I take it with a grain of salt, whatever he says and does is exactly that, whatever he says and does. It doesn't really have any bearing on me. I just want the music. But its just incredible the way some people here will pull everything he does apart and some further to that are just actively looking for things to hate about him.
If that's how they want to spend their time, then that's pretty sad, but, whatever.

You call it a self-inflicted PR debacle. To who? He was offered, he declined, he told us he declined, and that's that. The only ones making it into a PR debacle are people here. He's probably moved on to do something else.

To me, I'm more interested in finding out if a new album will be recorded in Feb or not.

'Maybe its about control ... when he talks on stage, on TTY, in interviews, its to his CULT. It's people he knows read it or are there because of him. A broadcast christmas message is suddenly dealing with people who may never have ever heard of him, who hate him, who are indifferent to him, who thought he was dead etc... maybe that's a real missed opportunity, maybe he's a bit scared of it, maybe he has no interest in talking to people who aren't 'his' CULT,'

You quote the American DSM. Are you a psychiatrist? Yet you dismiss this discussion as:

'Everyone likes to think they're an armchair psychologist.

Everyone will sit around and dissect every little thing he does and want to put reason to it which will fit their own point of view or agenda.'

But yet you also query the psychology of those who disagree with you:

'But its just incredible the way some people here will pull everything he does apart and some further to that are just actively looking for things to hate about him.
If that's how they want to spend their time, then that's pretty sad, but, whatever.'

Whatever.. If you just 'want the music', please refrain from any further comment on this topic thread. And yes, you're right. Morrissey probably has moved on to do something else. Probably a bitter rant about the Beckhams or 'Jamie Orrible' or some such pantomime nonsense. Really, Monty Python could make a sketch about his TTY proclamations!

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[Anonymous]

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I could make a suggestion. Hey-ohhhhhhh!

Humasexual cocks in blankets with lashings of white sauce no doubt,sorry Crystal he ain't eatin your tuna purse even if it's decorated with tinsel and tofu

Benny-the-British-Butcher

 

[Pokey]

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You don't care, but also think not doing it, 'for whatever reason' is 'the right thing to do'.

Your thinking is almost as disorganised and illogical as Morrissey's bizarre 'explanation'.

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How?

I think it is the right thing to do, it doesn't mean I care a great deal about it. If he decided he was doing the appearance then I'd disagree with it but I wouldn't fly off the handle about it, not exactly losing sleep over it one way or the other.

 

[BrummieBoy]

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Exactly! Lets talk about the new album, or the recent/ongoing tour, anything pertinent and not the drivel that slides through the cattle-grid of Morrissey-Solo. Most of these threads degenerate to an internet version of a public toilet's wall.

Nobody is forcing you to comment on this thread.

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[Pokey]

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'Maybe its about control ... when he talks on stage, on TTY, in interviews, its to his CULT. It's people he knows read it or are there because of him. A broadcast christmas message is suddenly dealing with people who may never have ever heard of him, who hate him, who are indifferent to him, who thought he was dead etc... maybe that's a real missed opportunity, maybe he's a bit scared of it, maybe he has no interest in talking to people who aren't 'his' CULT,'

You quote the American DSM. Are you a psychiatrist? Yet you dismiss this discussion as:

'Everyone likes to think they're an armchair psychologist.

Everyone will sit around and dissect every little thing he does and want to put reason to it which will fit their own point of view or agenda.'

But yet you also query the psychology of those who disagree with you:

'But its just incredible the way some people here will pull everything he does apart and some further to that are just actively looking for things to hate about him.
If that's how they want to spend their time, then that's pretty sad, but, whatever.'

Whatever.. If you just 'want the music', please refrain from any further comment on this topic thread. And yes, you're right. Morrissey probably has moved on to do something else. Probably a bitter rant about the Beckhams or 'Jamie Orrible' or some such pantomime nonsense. Really, Monty Python could make a sketch about his TTY proclamations!

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No I'm not a psychiatrist, but I am a psychologist.

And I do just want the music, but sometimes you can't always refrain from lashing out at people who just constantly won't give it a rest on here. If some people here harnessed the energy they use to put in to hating on Morrissey related things into something more constructive we would probably live in a better world.
It's tiring, just like some of Morrissey's comments, which is why I'm glad he's chosen not to use a bigger platform to make more of them.

So I guess Morrissey can move on to more bitter rants about other things and then you can move on to more bitter rants about Morrissey and anyone who says anything positive about him and the world will just carry on as usual.

 

[evennow]

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Not in the context of a man who complains never being invited to appear on television.

For those who don't know C4s alternative Christmas message has an interesting pedigree since it began with Quentin Crisp in 1993. Guests have included Jesse Jackson, Brigitte Bardot, Sacha Baron Cohen, Marge & Lisa Simpson, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Edward Snowden.

An interesting mix of characters. I think it's funny that Morrissey claims it isn't the right time to voice his thoughts and feelings regarding the royals. Seems a bit like he has been given the opportunity to fight and kind of backed down with an excuse that is tenuous at best.

And since when has Morrissey concerned himself with appearances, or appropriateness. Is it appropriate to show slaughterhouse footage at a concert where people may be bringing their children to see him? He thinks it is. Did he give any thought to his statement that Kate was somehow faking her illness during pregnancy before he spouted off his opinion without a morsel of fact to corroborate his assertion.

For all his bravado on stage, he is left with just his sharply-worded potshots and decrees from high off stage. I can see how some might view the royal family as "living off the backs of the taxpayers", but as an American I think that Will and Kate make excellent emissaries, and bring a sense of goodwill that is lacking in the world today.

 

[Mozza220559]

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So given a platform to go head-to-head with the queen, and allow dissident opinion to tune in as a protest against her speech, he bottles it. Because? Well, reading this incoherant ramble, it's clear he lacks both the intellectual gravitas to make any such speech, and the courage to put his ideas centre-stage. He would rather preach to his converted cult than directly address a wider audience.

Let's start with obvious facts. The queen is not just a figure-head of England, but also Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Canada and various other ex-colonies. So 'for the good of England' and ' England can do the same' clearly reveal gross ignorance. Of course, unless he's actually domiciled for personal and corporate tax in the UK or a current/ex colony that pays for the royals upkeep, then he has no business in making any such 'alternative speech'.

When Morrissey writes "I don't think Christmas Day is quite the time to be trading slaps." it's worth remembering his whinging about Xmas in the past and also noting that not everyone is Christian in this country. His deference to this festival suggests he remains, at heart, in thrall and deferential to current arrangments.

Despite lambasting ex-colonial America over what he calls 'thankskilling', Morrissey has now turned down the perfect opportunity to confront and educate a wider audience about the slaughter of turkeys for 'Christmas Day'. Is he not prepared to get stuck in, 'trading slaps' on behalf of the turkeys, geese and pigs slaughtered for 'Christmas'?


Despite continuously obsessing over the British Constitutional Monarchy, he has also now turned down a fabulous chance to give publicity to organisations such as Republic who, instead of just whinging onstage or from a fan's blog, are actually trying to create the conditions for change.

It seems he prefers to hiss from the side-lines rather than take centre stage. And it increasingly seems as if his 'animal rights' and 'republican' credentials are falling to pieces. I cannot see why anyone would take this 'entertainer' remotely seriously as a political commentator. He has turned down 'Question Time' and now this wonderful opportunity. Yet we are asked to accept there is a 'media conspiracy' to prevent him reaching a global audience? He could have sound-tracked his 'alternative speech' with WPINOYB and featured his celebrity friend Russell Brand's call for 'revolution. He is an entertainer, nothing more.

I wonder what Morrissey eats on Christmas Day?

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'Republic. Campaigning for a democratic alternative to the monarch'.

http://www.republic.org.uk/what-we-want

Yeah I thought this he's been given a fantastic opportunity to voice his true opinions and he's pussied out. After all the years of him typing out missives in the comfort of his luxury hotel slamming the monarchy, he's bottled it plain and simple.

Maybe he doesn't want his aging face in glorious 1080p on a 60" LED screen, maybe he doesn't want the pressure of make up and lights and perhaps an autocue. od have been the perfect opportunity for him, and perhaps it could have shifted more albums and gained a bit more publicity for him

Ho hum.

 

[Carly]

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Yeah I thought this he's been given a fantastic opportunity to voice his true opinions and he's pussied out. After all the years of him typing out missives in the comfort of his luxury hotel slamming the monarchy, he's bottled it plain and simple.

Maybe he doesn't want his aging face in glorious 1080p on a 60" LED screen, maybe he doesn't want the pressure of make up and lights and perhaps an autocue. od have been the perfect opportunity for him, and perhaps it could have shifted more albums and gained a bit more publicity for him

Ho hum.

I don't think he has the guts, but it isn't Morrissey to do something like a speech on a TV show.

 

[Anaesthesine]

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A cryptic comment, to be sure, given your usual lengthy reflections. It was a 'great offer' yet you offer nothing to back up your claim that Morrissey was sensible to decline it? Morrissey increasingly resembles a bad stand-up comic or a pantomime villain. He stands on stage with the horrible queen of England on a screen behind him......"she's behind you!.....she's behind you!....."

Am I lengthy? I think I'm usually quite concise.

Given the brouhaha here it seems that most people know that Morrissey is a rather awkward public speaker (to put it mildly), and that he tends to put his foot in it. Therefore, it is most sensible that he declined the offer. Had he sung a response (TQID say), he could have knocked it out of the park.

The only sensible way out of this self-inflicted PR debacle for Morrissey would be for him to now keep a dignified silence about the 'boil family'. C4 didn't release this information, he did. Presumably he thought everyone would share your view that he was 'sensible' to decline. You seem to be trying to dismiss opinions that differ to yours as comical without providing a justification. Just like Morrissey! *rollseyes*

Oh no you don't BB: you know as well as anyone that much of what goes on here is comical until it's hurtful. I won't be baited.

ps: just for reference, which Monty Python scene are you referring to? I have no idea.

The Argument Sketch: most people here are definitely arguing in their spare time.

 

[Surface]

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You don't care, but also think not doing it, 'for whatever reason' is 'the right thing to do'.

Your thinking is almost as disorganised and illogical as Morrissey's bizarre 'explanation'.

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If that's the case, why are you commenting on this thread?

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Just posting my view, it is allowed you know.

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Am I lengthy? I think I'm usually quite concise.

Given the brouhaha here it seems that most people know that Morrissey is a rather awkward public speaker (to put it mildly), and that he tends to put his foot in it. Therefore, it is most sensible that he declined the offer. Had he sung a response (TQID say), he could have knocked it out of the park.




Oh no you don't BB: you know as well as anyone that much of what goes on here is comical until it's hurtful. I won't be baited.



The Argument Sketch: most people here are definitely arguing in their spare time.

Just ignore the prick, its clear he has no life outside of this forum. Ignore him on here and he has nothing.

 

[Anonymous]

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I think a lot of the infighting here is a direct result of the current tour break. This has afforded Moz, weary laptop in hand, and men friends in tow, to direct his apostles to troll this forum. Like a latter day humasexual Napoleon, delivering dozens of emails at a time directing their work, he must be disappointed in just how ineffectual their efforts have been.
When you want the job done right do it yourself; with several open dates before Serbia, I would not be surprised if the Great One logs in here, himself to vanquish his enemies. I wonder what avatar he will choose...

 

[Gregor Samsa]

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You're a wee bit judgemental there with the 'hateful miscreants and cretins', but you probably think it's a Morrissey-esque flourish. The idea of you being up to any kind of 'war' with other commenters on this site seems unlikely if you're on the edge of a nervous breakdown because others are mocking Morrissey's hiding from a battle with the Queen of England. Let's see. He had the opportunity to sit next to David Cameron on the Marr Show and BOTTLED IT. He had the opportunity to challenge Duck Dynasty on Kimmel and BOTTLED IT. He was invited onto BBC Question Time but BOTTLED IT. He's a serial bottler. Viz should do a new strip on him. "Courageous Moz".

He expressed a bizarre opinion about Utoya. To suggest he was dealing in 'facts' is absurd. He sells 'cheese gougons' from his menu options at the o2 and 3Arean. Thus, he's also implicated in animal cruelty. The fact he has some fetish-phobia about people eating meat rather than 'cheese gougons' is just more evidence of his personality foibles.

MILK IS MURDER

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I say this again and hope that you'll perhaps read this post (and not just hop on down to the reply button and scribble down your hatred as fast as you can): I am not at war. You, the cretins of SoLow, are. At war with Moz, with each other and with just about anyone questioning this foul site (even though those people don't want anything to do with you).

I'm glad Moz isn't horny for TV airtime. How "bleh" it would feel if he had to show his face on international tv every time he wanted to express an opinion! I'm glad he declines some of the bullshit dimwits offer him. Do we want him debating rednecks on a thick show like Kimmel? Or debating the prime minister? I sure don't. I would like to see him on Jonathan Ross, however. I wonder whatever happened to that.

Facts, yes. Plenty more animals are killed in the name of fast food than kids at Utoya. And the sun is hot and water makes you wet.

And AGAIN you rant on about the f***ing cheese! My GOD! What's the matter with you? Are you ill? This is not sane behaviour. You're acting like an annoying lil' know-it-all who's found out about something no one else has and now can't stop running around RANTING ABOUT IT. You only come across as psychotic (since you're not even correct). You might want to change the tune.

 

[Anonymous]

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Why doesn't he do something f***ing useful with his time before he dies instead of being the village bellend.
He could write books like The big book of all things dairy or Christmas with Mozzella or The joy of humasexuality or Tempers tantrums and cancellations.

f*** Morrissey

Benny-the-British-Butcher

 

[BrummieBoy]

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No I'm not a psychiatrist, but I am a psychologist.

And I do just want the music, but sometimes you can't always refrain from lashing out at people who just constantly won't give it a rest on here. If some people here harnessed the energy they use to put in to hating on Morrissey related things into something more constructive we would probably live in a better world.
It's tiring, just like some of Morrissey's comments, which is why I'm glad he's chosen not to use a bigger platform to make more of them.

So I guess Morrissey can move on to more bitter rants about other things and then you can move on to more bitter rants about Morrissey and anyone who says anything positive about him and the world will just carry on as usual.

Physician, heal thyself!

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[Anonymous]

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He totally should have done it. If only so that people could say - there's some old queen on BBC1 and on Channel4 at the same time.

 

[BrummieBoy]

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Am I lengthy? I think I'm usually quite concise.

Given the brouhaha here it seems that most people know that Morrissey is a rather awkward public speaker (to put it mildly), and that he tends to put his foot in it. Therefore, it is most sensible that he declined the offer. Had he sung a response (TQID say), he could have knocked it out of the park.




Oh no you don't BB: you know as well as anyone that much of what goes on here is comical until it's hurtful. I won't be baited.



The Argument Sketch: most people here are definitely arguing in their spare time.

He wouldn't be speaking in public, but reciting a previously agreed script to autocue. I'm hardly trying to 'bait' you by asking why you raise Monty Python with regard to the responses to him, rather than towards his comic need to be a blowhard then get all 'shy' when he's call out on his arrant bullshit. As for arguing in their spare time, what else do you expect us all to do inbetween Solitaire and Candy Crush whilst trapped 'in Mom's basement'? *rollseyes...again* Morrissey is still trapped in adolescent fantasies of rebellion against the Royal Family. Perhaps his Mom refused to let him play the Sex Pistols singles in his box-bedroom? Who knows. Or cares. He's an eejit and he's bottled it BIG TIME!

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Just posting my view, it is allowed you know.

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Just ignore the prick, its clear he has no life outside of this forum. Ignore him on here and he has nothing.

And I'm just posting MY view. It is allowed, you know. And you are allowed to just put me on 'Ignore'. But you don't, do you? Why is that? Morrissey could also just put the 'boil family' on 'Ignore' but also chooses not to. Why is that?

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