Crisstti
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Please post the link to the Central post promoting Infowars.
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Morrissey posted this link on his official Website in which (i assume) was done to justify his views on diversity and Infowars (in case you don't know) made their claim to fame over sandy hook the horrific murder of elementary school children. Imagine being the mother or father of these children and have lunatics (fans of Infowars) trying to kill you because they think you are hoax. The parents of these children had to hide and fear for their lives after suffering the murder of their children while Infowars made millions of dollars.
PAUL JOSEPH WATSON - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - PAUL JOSEPH WATSON
MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL
www.morrisseycentral.com
Infowars / Paul Joseph Watson "Morrissey: Diversity is Conformity" (November 30, 2022)
No doubt this will end up on Central. Update: Now a Morrissey Central post (December 1, 2022). Related items: Sam Esty Rayner / YouTube: Morrissey Interview 2022. (Premiered November 28, 2022) Morrissey Central: "PAUL JOSEPH WATSON" - December 1, 2022
www.morrissey-solo.com
Some have said Watson is not Alex Jones just like Heinrich Himmler was not Hitler. Most likely you don't trust Wikipedia, but for what it's worth:
"Watson's career emerged through his work for conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones. As editor-at-large of Jones' website InfoWars, he helped promote fake news[18] and advocated for 9/11, chemtrail, and New World Order conspiracy theories.[1] Subsequently, reaching a significant audience, both Watson and Jones altered their focus. Watson also contributes (as in the present) to InfoWars's talk radio program The Alex Jones Show, which he occasionally hosts or co-hosts. Watson has been working at InfoWars since October 2002."
gashonthenail
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Are you seriously comparing Watson and Alex Jones to Himmler and Hitler? You should do stand-up. Are you here all week?
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Yes I am doing stand up comic on Morrissey Solo all week. Of course not silly. To my knowledge Himmler or Hitler never killed anyone (i don't know), but words have consequences especially ones directed at suffering parents of dead teenagers I mean elementary school children. I have been booed off stage so I will sink back to my bedroom with all my Morrissey posters. Bye Bye
Malarkey
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Morrissey posted this link on his official Website in which (i assume) was done to justify his views on diversity and Infowars (in case you don't know) made their claim to fame over sandy hook the horrific murder of elementary school children. Imagine being the mother or father of these children and have lunatics (fans of Infowars) trying to kill you because they think you are hoax. The parents of these children had to hide and fear for their lives after suffering the murder of their children while Infowars made millions of dollars.
PAUL JOSEPH WATSON - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - PAUL JOSEPH WATSON
MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL
Infowars / Paul Joseph Watson "Morrissey: Diversity is Conformity" (November 30, 2022)
No doubt this will end up on Central. Update: Now a Morrissey Central post (December 1, 2022). Related items: Sam Esty Rayner / YouTube: Morrissey Interview 2022. (Premiered November 28, 2022) Morrissey Central: "PAUL JOSEPH WATSON" - December 1, 2022
Some have said Watson is not Alex Jones just like Heinrich Himmler was not Hitler. Most likely you don't trust Wikipedia, but for what it's worth:
"Watson's career emerged through his work for conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones. As editor-at-large of Jones' website InfoWars, he helped promote fake news[18] and advocated for 9/11, chemtrail, and New World Order conspiracy theories.[1] Subsequently, reaching a significant audience, both Watson and Jones altered their focus. Watson also contributes (as in the present) to InfoWars's talk radio program The Alex Jones Show, which he occasionally hosts or co-hosts. Watson has been working at InfoWars since October 2002."
I found someone punting InfoWars at SER way back in 2011.
It's daft to argue that Morrissey is to blame for this.
Crisstti
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So... in short, Central has NOT promoted Infowars, but merely posted a link to a PJW video where he essentially repeats something Moz had said. Thanks for making that clear.Morrissey posted this link on his official Website in which (i assume) was done to justify his views on diversity and Infowars (in case you don't know) made their claim to fame over sandy hook the horrific murder of elementary school children. Imagine being the mother or father of these children and have lunatics (fans of Infowars) trying to kill you because they think you are hoax. The parents of these children had to hide and fear for their lives after suffering the murder of their children while Infowars made millions of dollars.
PAUL JOSEPH WATSON - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - PAUL JOSEPH WATSON
MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL
Infowars / Paul Joseph Watson "Morrissey: Diversity is Conformity" (November 30, 2022)
No doubt this will end up on Central. Update: Now a Morrissey Central post (December 1, 2022). Related items: Sam Esty Rayner / YouTube: Morrissey Interview 2022. (Premiered November 28, 2022) Morrissey Central: "PAUL JOSEPH WATSON" - December 1, 2022
Some have said Watson is not Alex Jones just like Heinrich Himmler was not Hitler. Most likely you don't trust Wikipedia, but for what it's worth:
"Watson's career emerged through his work for conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones. As editor-at-large of Jones' website InfoWars, he helped promote fake news[18] and advocated for 9/11, chemtrail, and New World Order conspiracy theories.[1] Subsequently, reaching a significant audience, both Watson and Jones altered their focus. Watson also contributes (as in the present) to InfoWars's talk radio program The Alex Jones Show, which he occasionally hosts or co-hosts. Watson has been working at InfoWars since October 2002."
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I love glamour (not luxury), freedom and beautiful souls.
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Lucifer Sam
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It's not just one. There are several Watson videos on Morrissey Central where Watson is talking about Morrissey, but there's also this one where Watson doesn't mention Morrissey at all:
I TRIED LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - I TRIED LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD
MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL
www.morrisseycentral.com
Somebody at Messages From Morrissey likes Paul Joseph Watson. Whether this person is Morrissey himself is debatable, but Morrissey is nevertheless capable of opening a browser window and checking on the blog that purports to be his own.
gashonthenail
You will own nothing and you will be happy...
In that video Mr Watson speaks a lot of sense to be honest. The sad thing is virtually no one else, especially anyone on the left, was criticising the lockdown madness. Moz doesn't have to agree with everything the guy thinks or says on every other subject. Moz has expressed a liking for Douglas Murray's The Strange Death of Europe. I can't imagine Moz would share Mr Murrays' views on Northern Ireland. And he certainly wouldn't share David Vance's views on Northern Ireland. Maybe all of this just goes to show that someone you disagree with on most things can still sometimes talk sense on some things. But in our culture of cancel we seem to have forgotten that.It's not just one. There are several Watson videos on Morrissey Central where Watson is talking about Morrissey, but there's also this one where Watson doesn't mention Morrissey at all:
I TRIED LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - I TRIED LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD
MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL
Somebody at Messages From Morrissey likes Paul Joseph Watson. Whether this person is Morrissey himself is debatable, but Morrissey is nevertheless capable of opening a browser window and checking on the blog that purports to be his own.
Lucifer Sam
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I am certain he could've found someone less odious than Paul Joseph Watson criticizing the lockdown madness. And of course we shouldn't be expected to only share videos and podcasts by people who agree with us 100% on everything; if that was the bar, we couldn't share anything. But InfoWars characters, particularly a vociferous anti-vegan one, should be beyond the pale. At the very least, it needs a disclaimer.
What if there was a Messages From Morrissey post called "SWEET & TENDER HOOLIGAN" consisting of Adolf Hitler's anti-vivisection and pro-vegetarian quotes, with no disclaimer? Wouldn't that be odd? Morrissey would be doing himself no favors. Hitler did make sense on some things (and he was better than most of his haters on these points), but you can find far less disastrous people making the same points.
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Lucifer Sam
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Oh dear.
gashonthenail
You will own nothing and you will be happy...
I take your point, Aubrey, but, again, you seem to jump from Paul Joseph Watson straight to Adolf Hitler.
1. That's a tad hyperbolic and probably grants Mr Watson and his whining on Youtube more historical significance than he warrants or deserves.
2. You are going to upset Malarkey.
Crisstti
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I assume the person who's posted those videos is most likely Moz. Simply because it would be just inappropriate for Sam to post contentious content like that in a place called "messages from Morrissey", I don't think he would.It's not just one. There are several Watson videos on Morrissey Central where Watson is talking about Morrissey, but there's also this one where Watson doesn't mention Morrissey at all:
I TRIED LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - I TRIED LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD
MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL
Somebody at Messages From Morrissey likes Paul Joseph Watson. Whether this person is Morrissey himself is debatable, but Morrissey is nevertheless capable of opening a browser window and checking on the blog that purports to be his own.
My objection was only with painting this as "Central promoting Infowars", which really simply isn't accurate.
I doubt he cares, should care, or is even aware how "odious" the person in question is. He's only expressing agreement with what those specific videos say, not with anything else PJW has said or supported, much less someone he's associated with.
As for PJW being a "vociferous anti-vegan" character, I was aware of him before, and hadn't heard him say anything about veganism at all, so I don't see why Moz would be aware of that either. I think if you've only come across a few videos of his this wouldn't be very apparent.
Moz probably just came across these videos, or someone sent them to him and he watched them and liked them and thought he'd share them. Doubt he's watched every video PJW puts out or follows him on Twitter or anything like that.
gashonthenail
You will own nothing and you will be happy...
Just to add, Aubrey - great moniker btw, I'm a big fan of Aubrey Beardsley - that the whole 'Hitler was a vegetarian' line, beloved of carnivores, is almost certainly false. It was just propaganda to sell the German people the lie of the 'pure' Aryan leader. A combination of that and doctors putting him on an elimination diet to try to cure chronic IBS. The fact he was virtually crippled by it for the last few years of his life is kind of heart warming. Dr Freud getting revenge, perhaps, via psycho-somatic symptoms, for all those mountains of dead.
Lucifer Sam
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It's accurate in the sense that Paul Joseph Watson is, factually, a well-known InfoWars personality who cut his teeth as Alex Jones' sidekick. The anon has already posted the relevant points from his CV. It seems like semantics to say, "well, but he has his own project now and he only guest-hosts InfoWars occasionally." Strictly speaking, you're right: Morrissey Central is not posting direct links to InfoWars. But in terms of casual shorthand that makes the salient point, the anon is right. I don't think Morrissey can be acquitted on a technicality here.
In the past, Morrissey used to care about how odious a person was. He even turned against Bryan Ferry because he ate veal. I don't think the Paul Joseph Watson videos can be excused out of ignorance. The demand isn't that Morrissey watch every single video Watson ever made to find out his stances on everything. That would take way too long. But Google exists: "paul+joseph+watson+vegan" takes only a few seconds for a famous vegan to type before publicly sharing a video on his official site. It's the simplest due diligence, and he isn't doing it. Those links to PETA and Mercy For Animals on the Morrissey Central page look (sadly) like obligatory image-promoting fluff when at the same time he's sharing Paul Joseph Watson videos.
Lucifer Sam
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Just to add, Aubrey - great moniker btw, I'm a big fan of Aubrey Beardsley - that the whole 'Hitler was a vegetarian' line, beloved of carnivores, is almost certainly false. It was just propaganda to sell the German people the lie of the 'pure' Aryan leader. A combination of that and doctors putting him on an elimination diet to try to cure chronic IBS. The fact he was virtually crippled by it for the last few years of his life is kind of heart warming. Dr Freud getting revenge, perhaps, via psycho-somatic symptoms, for all those mountains of dead.
It does please me that one of favorite Victorians haunts one of my favorite novels. I like your own avatar. Là-Bas is a fine novel. At first I thought you might be a Catholic, but that turned out not to be the case. And even if you were, late 19th c. French Catholicism is probably the finest form (in terms of the arts, at least. The anti-Semitism is a blight).
In terms of Hitler's vegetarianism, I think your 1991 article might be outdated. A 2017 forensic survey of his teeth didn't turn up any traces of meat tartar. It appears the Führer abstained. "Hitler was vegetarian" is a tired line of carnivore apologists, but the fact that it's true doesn't make the appeal any less fallacious.
Crisstti
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Doesn't seem like a technicality to me. Seems like a significant difference.
I have to completely disagree with you there. Him posting a couple PJW videos, which don't have a word against veganism, cannot and shouldn't be used to say his stance on veganism or animals is somehow less serious. I don't see why it should. Should he really be vetting every person for their stance on veganism?
About Ferry, I don't remember very well the whole thing. Was it really about Ferry eating veal? Can't seem to find it.
goinghome
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Banks are closing bank accounts of doctors known to question the Covid narrative, and the question of harms done isn't settled at all, as new papers appearing in prestigious journals show every other day, which good ole Russell and John Campbell, among a few others, are still covering. The Guardian recently reported on studies showing small lockdown benefits being revised upward after being criticised.
Science is looking very shaky and over-prone to co-option. It wouldn't matter too much if findings only affected those involved in producing them. The problem is, these information decisions intrude into billions of lives now, and may send freedoms to the back of the class.
As a renowned organisational coach for decades, Margaret Wheatley has mentored companies and governments on chaos theory and other management ideas. But 12 minutes into this podcast, she states with quivering voice that she now knows corporations are willing to kill people (after naming only Russia as a state that is out to do deliberate damage, which rather weakens her argument) - https://www.resilience.org/stories/...sibly-go-right-episode-103-margaret-wheatley/
This is in response to what you said:
It's hardly a good sign if this is no longer allowed. Let's hope it's just a blip. and people with different views will be allowed speak and debate again. Democracy now please!
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Lucifer Sam
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Not every person, no, but the thing with Watson is that he’s vocally anti-vegan. And yes, Morrissey should be vetting for that (especially when it only takes a few seconds). This isn’t even to mention the rest of Watson’s awful ideology. Don’t you think there are commentators who are simply beyond the pale?
Posting alt-right personalities without comment doesn’t make Morrissey look smart or cryptic or cool. For comparison, Ian Brown’s Twitter feed during the pandemic was a joy to read. The man went absolutely bonkers and believed in the looniest conspiracy theories, but he was also informative, provocative, and couldn’t really be mistaken for far-right. It was like he was his old self again: wry, disruptive, and combative. He wrote as frequently as he re-tweeted, and took on his detractors directly. Why can’t Morrissey get his own mojo back? This stuff just makes him look like a drunk old dullard going down ultra-conservative rabbit holes.
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