Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just hours after her death

UPDATE 1:00 PM PT:

CrystalGeezer posted "It's been suggested this is a mashup of quotes from an old Loaded Magazine article." and !Viva Hate! posted a scan of the Loaded article in the comments.

MORRIZSEY also sends a link to the RollingStone article, which credits the original article at The Daily Beast:

Morrissey: 'Thatcher Was a Terror Without an Atom of Humanity' - The Daily Beast
by Morrissey Apr 8, 2013 1:59 PM EDT
Singer Morrissey, of the seminal 1980s band The Smiths, reacts to news of the death of former U.K. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

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UPDATE 8:15 PM PT:

MORRIZSEY also notes the tweet from Lauren Papapietro (Susan Blond agency):

Lauren Papapietro
‏@laurnpapapietro - 12:21 PM - 8 Apr 13
#Morrissey comments on the passing of #margaretthatcher "...Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity" http://t.co/p99twdWnwz

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Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just hours after her death is announced - Mirror Online
8 Apr 2013 19:36
The musician has been a long-time critic of the former Prime Minister

Outspoken Morrissey tonight blasted Margaret Thatcher as "barbaric" and someone "without an atom of humanity".

The musician has been a long-time critic of the former Prime Minister and aired his views in songs like Margaret On The Guillotine.

Tonight, just hours after her death, he released a strongly-worded statement slamming the former Tory politician.

he said: "Thatcher is remembered as The Iron Lady only because she possessed completely negative traits such as persistent stubbornness and a determined refusal to listen to others.

"Every move she made was charged by negativity; she destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the Ivory Trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own Cabinet booted her out."

Morrissey, whose first Smiths single Hand In Glove was released a month before Baroness Thatcher won her second term of office as Prime Minister in 1983, was highly critical of her role in the Falklands War.

He said: "She gave the order to blow up The Belgrano even though it was outside of the Malvinas Exclusion Zone - and was sailing AWAY from the islands.

"When the young Argentinean boys aboard The Belgrano had suffered a most appalling and unjust death, Thatcher gave the thumbs up sign for the British press. Iron? No. Barbaric? Yes.

"She hated feminists even though it was largely due to the progression of the women's movement that the British people allowed themselves to accept that a Prime Minister could actually be female. But because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics, and rather than opening that particular door for other women, she closed it.

Outspoken Morrissey, who recently cancelled a series of shows due to ill health, went on: "Thatcher will only be fondly remembered by sentimentalists who did not suffer under her leadership, but the majority of British working people have forgotten her already, and the people of Argentina will be celebrating her death.

"As a matter of recorded fact, Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity," he added.

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Related item:

• Margaret Thatcher dies at 87 - Apr. 8, 2013

 

[Bluebirds]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

When people talk of thatcher its always the coal miners that get mentioned, usually neglecting to mention that Scargill was the true destroyer of the NUM & a scheming money grabber as it turned out for himself.
I feel heart sorry for the coal mining communities that went, but it was an industry & a life style that was out of step & propped up by the rest of us , the notion that today's 16year olds would be rushing to sign up for a life down the pit does make me wonder what planet people are on, as it happens my uncle was a coal miner in Ayrshire , worked for several decades doing it, then the lung disease & respiratory problems kicked in (yeah the small print to working down the mines was you tended to catch nasty / horrible illnesses that shortened your lives.

Did thatcher do a lot wrong? Yes she did (name me a PM who hasn't?) did she do a lot right ? Yes she did, I'm too young (born in 78) but Britain in the early 70s, the winter of discontent/3 day working week / power cut / numerous strikes by the all powerful unions ....that couldn't continue.
i watched the BBC biography on her last night....whatever way you cut it, she lived a remarkable life, and stuck to her guns as to where she wanted the country to go (was enough to be the first female leader of a party, for 3 successive election victories, (first female world leader) not bad for a woman working her way through from the 50s & with the social class system she elevated past.

History I think will be kinder on her than many are just now .
a truly great British Prime Minister & Leader.

http://www.ukcoal.com/why-coal/need-for-coal/world-coal-statistics

Fascinating, why did we close down all the pits? Considering the coal reserves we still have? And most of our electricity is still generated by coal? Tell me why?

 

[Musley66]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

Too true Peterb. I lived in Orgreave during the miners strike and saw what the police did to those hardworking men that Thatcher called "the enemy within", a truly eveil person.

Lest the pro Thatch posts appear too dominant, I must add my opinion.
I grew up during the Thatcher period. She was a monster.

 

[Rowntree]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

Too true Peterb. I lived in Orgreave during the miners strike and saw what the police did to those hardworking men that Thatcher called "the enemy within", a truly eveil person.

Indeed, I see that nobody is claiming her politicising of the police force to be a wonderful thing, another Thatcher legacy.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

Jake Walters is straight. Does anyone deal in facts anymore?

No he isn't.

 

[Cornflakes]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

Indeed, I see that nobody is claiming her politicising of the police force to be a wonderful thing, another Thatcher legacy.

Actually, I think that era had the long-term effect of making public safety policing more responsible, because so many police officers looked back on Orgreave and Hillsborough and things like that and realised that they were used and it was wrong.

 

[Uncleskinny]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

Number 11 and climbing - come on folks, do your duty.

P.

 

[Rowntree]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

Actually, I think that era had the long-term effect of making public safety policing more responsible, because so many police officers looked back on Orgreave and Hillsborough and things like that and realised that they were used and it was wrong.

Nope, they're politicised now as much as they ever were and it was Thatcher that introduced this. Terrible mistakes made at a football stadium and the deliberate ploy of using the police to stamp down on political opponents are completely different things.

 

[Cornflakes]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

Nope, they're politicised now as much as they ever were and it was Thatcher that introduced this. Terrible mistakes made at a football stadium and the deliberate ploy of using the police to stamp down on political opponents are completely different things.

They're not isolated. It's about the attitude of the officers to their job and what their responsibilities were. The force responsible for Hillsborough was the same force that had policed South Yorkshire during the miners' strike.

I certainly would claim that today's police are paragons of decency and purity but there's no resemblance, for example, between the way demos are policed today and the the way they used to be policed in the 80s. And part of that is definitely down to the fact that officers of different ranks reflected on what went on then. At the beginning of the miners' strike, I expect nearly all coppers felt that they were doing the right thing. But it definitely wasn't the same after it was over.

 

[Rowntree]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

They're not isolated. It's about the attitude of the officers to their job and what their responsibilities were. The force responsible for Hillsborough was the same force that had policed South Yorkshire during the miners' strike.

I certainly would claim that today's police are paragons of decency and purity but there's no resemblance, for example, between the way demos are policed today and the the way they used to be policed in the 80s. And part of that is definitely down to the fact that officers of different ranks reflected on what went on then. At the beginning of the miners' strike, I expect nearly all coppers felt that they were doing the right thing. But it definitely wasn't the same after it was over.

What police do on a personal professional level and what they are instructed to do from the very top are two completely different things. Thatcher instigated crushing the miners but she didn't instigate crushing the Hillsborough victims, there's a distinction to be made. Prior to Thatcher the police weren't politicised, from Thatcher onwards they have been. Without doubt the general standards that police forces have to meet have been raised although not always met but that's a seperate issue.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

I was talking about the anonymous poster who said it was Thatchers fault he couldn't get work, you f***ing thick turd.

So you think millions of people were just being lazy?

Or you think the massively high unemployment rates were just a coincidence?

Jesus Christ you're thick

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

One of the first comments I read on Twitter after I heard the news was Kevin Cummins asking whether Morrissey had been asked for a quote yet... https://twitter.com/KCMANC/status/321230559969943552

Dave

That's interesting - I thought that you were going to say that Kevin had released ANOTHER unseen print on Twitter lol Sorry - I just had to say that - but no disrespect intended to Kevin Cummins or to his unreleased/unseen prints !

Hazard
England.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

Too true Peterb. I lived in Orgreave during the miners strike and saw what the police did to those hardworking men that Thatcher called "the enemy within", a truly eveil person.

Well, yes, Devine. Firstly, the beatings were overtly brutal. One just has to see the video of that activity and it brings tears to the eyes and shame to the Country and to the Government at that time, not just to Margaret. Thankfully, those days are OVER but never forgotten.

"Stand Down Margaret" as someone sang. To be honest, her "team" were just as bad and seemed to do a good job of playing hide and seek, before her friends and her party stabbed her in the back, in what was a brutal bloodbath of political shame or pleasure, depending upon your view point.

I know that everyone has an opinion. Margaret brought out the very worst in people and she did some evil things. She did those evil things not always to the poor but usually so.

Good job that you moved. Not so long ago, the houses nearby were all flooded and all several feet underwater for several days.
Also the old cricket pitch (it was not the best nor was it flat) and the football pitches went to make way for OPEN CAST COAL MINING FOR 10 YEARS. Isn't it odd that the pit at Orgreave had to close down but the open cast coal mining continued in that area for many years.

Government attempts to improve communities devastated by the policy of forced mining closures (think Rossington, Kilnhurst, Barnsley, Huddersfiled, Rotherham and Nottingham. the list goes on. ) - were not always successful. A token gesture ? Families were torn apart in many communities.

Shameful is the only word that I can use to describe the entire period.

Hazard
England

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

No he isn't.

yes he is. ask him, he's on twitter.

 

[BrummieBoy]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

There is absolutely no incentive why I should bother to set up an account, because there is nobody in particular whom I want to establish a longer lasting reciprocal relationship with.

If one applied the way of argument of the likes of you to homosexuals, one would directly come to the conclusion that they have a serious mental illness that needs to be treated in a mental instution. lol Well done.

The current minimum wage in the UK is £1,072 and that in Irleand €1,461. Will I concern myself with the well being of any indivisual in either country in the future? Absolutely not. And you can shuffle your music where you sit, your arse.

Complete nonsense. You have even more problems than I realised. Very odd minimum wage figures. You're quite clearly in some distress, but this is not a helpline. Ring a family member and send them your comments by email. I'm sure they'll sage an 'intervention'.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

So you think millions of people were just being lazy?

Or you think the massively high unemployment rates were just a coincidence?

Jesus Christ you're thick

I did not experience the effects of Thatcherism, but I do remember that the economic climate in England was dire at that time. It was well-documented, even in America. What I do know for a fact is that the same disasterous effects were created by the inept policies enacted by George Complete f***tard Bush. Thatcher and Reagan were unapologetically evil; Bush is just the most moronic person ever voted into political office. Obviously, these poor decisions lead to desperate levels of unemployment that can linger for years; this is still a continuing problem in the US today, years after Bush has gone. The poster who implied that people just did not try hard enough to find work has probably never had the misfortune of being chronically unemployed. I know many people who have dealt with this recently, and it destroys all self-esteem.

 

[CrystalGeezer]

I think "thick turd" is my new favorite insult.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

His lover Jake Walters was more honest when he at least mentioned Clause 28. Most people from other countries don't know about it and for that reason totally misinterpret Morrissey's lyrics and Morrissey is still intentionally misleading them. You have to know about it, however, to understand why Morrissey is called "influencial" by homosexual academics and journalists and fans and why Morrissey has made a living and fortune by quoting anything that is vaguely related to homosexuality:
http://www.bishopsgate.org.uk/audios.aspx?vid=8369

I cannot exactly say that what they sayabout the positions that homosexuals held at the time gives the impression that they were really discriminated against, because clearly they managed to get into influencial positions in education, government and the media. Then they had their coming outs to let everybody know how important homosexuals are. This is what they say in the podcast. Nowadays they argue that they should be allowed to adopt children, because they were earning so well, they could easily provide for such children. Right, never a word about the mothers however who have their babies taken away from them by authorities and don't get any support or why women feel they cannot support their children and thus give them away volutarily, because what do they care, those well to dos, who only care about themselves. That blogger anybody, who pays women do donor their eggs and have his children? Why would women do anything like this if they didn't have to? It is a very painful way to make money.

I grew up in a country without a clause 28 and a man freely walking the street in a dress and the media was full of sex of all kinds and teenagers enganging in all sorts with lots of drugs involved. I personally have to say that in this respect Thatcher was right, because to me as a child this was too much and it had a very negative effect as it caused a reactance in me. Ironically I initially thought that Morrissey was about just being yourself, until I figured out that he is about anything I despise with his over eager fans attacking me who would not even pass a university exam without f***ing their professor first. I don't see that Thatcher would have done anything like this.

And Morrissey isn't exactly the most feeling person either. Just the other day it was in the news how PETA mistreated animals. When his beloved fan Margaret died, he posted a message saying that it was all right that she killed herself, even though it is sad that she won't admire him anymore.

You are sadly misinformed on so many levels; I do not know where to begin. Firstly, you imply that gays should feel lucky to be permitted to be involved in politics, the arts, education, and the media. TEN % OF THE POPULATION IS GAY; THAT IS THE SAME RATIO AS LEFT-HANDED PEOPLE OR PEOPLE WITH GREEN EYES.SHOULD WE PREVENT THESE PEOPLE FROM GETTING MARRIED OR HAVING CHILDREN, AS WELL? In fact, that percentage is probably underestimated because narrow-minded, hate-filled people like you make it difficult for some people to be forthcoming about their choices. Secondly, no one has to be forthcoming about their sexual preferences because it is a personal matter. Morrissey should never have been asked this question because it has no relevance to his art. If anyone who is not in the public eye were asked these questions by a complete stranger, there would be a completely bloody, beaten down stranger lying in the gutter. No one would stand for that sort of intrusive inquiry. Additionally, many of Morrissey's lyrics are open to interpretation. Teenage girls are also the prey of charming men offering rides. So, if you are hearing only homosexual connotations, then maybe you need to do some self-reflection. Next, if people want to sell their eggs, cross-dress, adopt a child, or worship Morrissey, how is it any of your business? You seem to be transferring your own feelings of inadequacy to others. On to the next topic. Morrissey expressed his sadness at hearing the news of Margaret Dale's passing. He merely stated that if she was in such agony in life, then maybe she will be at peace now. How many other famous people would even bother to notice that one follower was gone? As for PETA, information is constantly manipulated in order to discredit the organization because they aggravate people who head wealthy corporations that totally disregard the suffering of animals just so they can maintain a set profit margin. Who has greater reason to lie, PETA or the McDonald's corporation? I am sorry that your life was difficult, but I would have to imagine that this is the case for many people here. That is why we feel a a connection to Morrissey; he articulates the darkest moments of life, the most painful emotions, things we would all like to scream about but just cannot seem to find the right words to do so; he finds those words and gives many of us a voice. How can you say that he is not the most "feeling person"? He feels things more intensely than most, and he has the talent to articulate those feelings in a beautifully poetic manner (I know, I know, People are the Same Everywhere sucks a giant dick;it's done and over, move on.) If you do not appreciate his work, his comments, his delicate mannerisms, then do not follow him. Spare yourself, and us. So let's be perfectly clear: I am not gay, not that there is anything wrong with that; I have two children that were conceived traditionally as opposed to being conceived by alternative means, not that there is anything wrong with that; so I have no vested interest in disputing your post, other than the fact that as a mother, as a human being, I find labeling and evaluating people that you do not know to be extremely harmful and hateful. Finally, I am a rabid Morrissey fan who graduated from university with a near perfect 4.0, and I assure you that I did not have to f*** anyone to accomplish that. If you want to throw down the gaunlet in a war of words, try using better sentence structure. Now that I have finished with you, I think that I will go sell one of my left-handed children to the first rich gay man I can find on the street.

Lynnda, not anonymous
People for the Ethical Treatment of Morrissey

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

His lover Jake Walters was more honest when he at least mentioned Clause 28. Most people from other countries don't know about it and for that reason totally misinterpret Morrissey's lyrics and Morrissey is still intentionally misleading them. You have to know about it, however, to understand why Morrissey is called "influencial" by homosexual academics and journalists and fans and why Morrissey has made a living and fortune by quoting anything that is vaguely related to homosexuality:
http://www.bishopsgate.org.uk/audios.aspx?vid=8369

I cannot exactly say that what they sayabout the positions that homosexuals held at the time gives the impression that they were really discriminated against, because clearly they managed to get into influencial positions in education, government and the media. Then they had their coming outs to let everybody know how important homosexuals are. This is what they say in the podcast. Nowadays they argue that they should be allowed to adopt children, because they were earning so well, they could easily provide for such children. Right, never a word about the mothers however who have their babies taken away from them by authorities and don't get any support or why women feel they cannot support their children and thus give them away volutarily, because what do they care, those well to dos, who only care about themselves. That blogger anybody, who pays women do donor their eggs and have his children? Why would women do anything like this if they didn't have to? It is a very painful way to make money.

I grew up in a country without a clause 28 and a man freely walking the street in a dress and the media was full of sex of all kinds and teenagers enganging in all sorts with lots of drugs involved. I personally have to say that in this respect Thatcher was right, because to me as a child this was too much and it had a very negative effect as it caused a reactance in me. Ironically I initially thought that Morrissey was about just being yourself, until I figured out that he is about anything I despise with his over eager fans attacking me who would not even pass a university exam without f***ing their professor first. I don't see that Thatcher would have done anything like this.

And Morrissey isn't exactly the most feeling person either. Just the other day it was in the news how PETA mistreated animals. When his beloved fan Margaret died, he posted a message saying that it was all right that she killed herself, even though it is sad that she won't admire him anymore.

You are sadly mistaken on so many levels. Firstly, you imply that gays should consider themselves lucky to be included in the arts, media, education, and politics, as if they are some subspecies that have lesser rights than other human beings. Ten percent of the population is gay, the same ratio as left-handed people and those who have green eyes. Should we restrict the rights of these people as well? In fact, the figures would probably be higher except that hate-filled, narrow-minded people such as you make it nearly impossible to be forthcoming about personal choices concerning sexuality. Secondly, no one should be forced to be public about their sexual preferences because it is a completely private matter. Morrissey should never have been asked this line of questioning as it has no relevance to his art. If an average citizen were asked about his or her sexual habits by a complete stranger, there would be a completely bloody, beaten down stranger lying in the gutter; it is an intrusive and rude line of inquiry. Next, if someone wants to adopt a child, sell eggs, cross dress, or worship Morrissey, how is it any of your concern? It sounds as if you are transferring your own feelings of confusion and inadequacy to others. As long as people are making their own choices and no one else is harmed, then it is no one else's business. It sounds as though you have had a difficult life, and for that I am sorry; but, I imagine that to be the case for many here. That is why we connect with Morrissey; he articulates the darkest moments of life and the most difficult emotions in the most moving and poetic way (I know, I know, People are the Same Everywhere sucks giant dick, it's done, move on!). Many of us would love to scream these feelings aloud, but we cannot or will not, so we look to him to give us a voice. You say that Morrissey isn't the "most feeling" person; I would strongly contest that statement. He seems to feel things more intensely than most; it is what has perpetuated his work and what compels him to make so many public statements on current issues. I may not always agree with his perspective, but I believe that he is genuine in his statements and I defend his right to make them. If you are offended by his comments, his views, or his lifestyle, then perhaps you should stop following him. As for his response to Margaret Dale's passing, he simply stated that if she was in such agony in life, maybe she will be at peace in death. More importantly, how many famous people would even notice that one of their followers was gone, let alone take the time to publicly address the matter? Next, PETA is frequently maligned by corporate executives who fear that they will be forced to make profit diminishing changes. It may not be a perfect organization, but I would trust statements from PETA more than I would trust the words of a McDonald's representative. Let me make this perfectly clear, I am not gay, not there is anything wrong with that, and I have two children conceived the traditional way as opposed to alternative methods, not that there is anything wrong with that; so, I have no vested interest in attacking your post other than that, as a mother, as a human being, I find this compulsion to label and judge other people whom you know nothing about extremely hateful and harmful. Yes, I am one of those rabidly devoted Morrissey fans, and let me state that I graduated from university at the top of my class with a nearly perfect 4.0, and I did not have to f*** anyone to accomplish that. In the future, if you choose to throw down the gauntlet concerning intellectual debate, try using better sentence structure. I am finished with my response to your marginalizing comments; I think that I will go out and sell one of my left-handed children to the first rich gay man I can find roaming the street in a lovely frock. Where the hell do you live anyway?

Lynnda, not anonymous
People for the Ethical Treatment of Morrissey

 

[BrummieBoy]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

they're not isolated. It's about the attitude of the officers to their job and what their responsibilities were. The force responsible for hillsborough was the same force that had policed south yorkshire during the miners' strike.

I certainly would claim that today's police are paragons of decency and purity but there's no resemblance, for example, between the way demos are policed today and the the way they used to be policed in the 80s. and part of that is definitely down to the fact that officers of different ranks reflected on what went on then. At the beginning of the miners' strike, i expect nearly all coppers felt that they were doing the right thing. But it definitely wasn't the same after it was over.

kettling

 

[BrummieBoy]

Re: Article: Margaret Thatcher dead: Morrissey blasts former PM as "barbaric" just ho

You are sadly misinformed on so many levels; I do not know where to begin. Firstly, you imply that gays should feel lucky to be permitted to be involved in politics, the arts, education, and the media. TEN % OF THE POPULATION IS GAY; THAT IS THE SAME RATIO AS LEFT-HANDED PEOPLE OR PEOPLE WITH GREEN EYES.SHOULD WE PREVENT THESE PEOPLE FROM GETTING MARRIED OR HAVING CHILDREN, AS WELL? In fact, that percentage is probably underestimated because narrow-minded, hate-filled people like you make it difficult for some people to be forthcoming about their choices. Secondly, no one has to be forthcoming about their sexual preferences because it is a personal matter. Morrissey should never have been asked this question because it has no relevance to his art. If anyone who is not in the public eye were asked these questions by a complete stranger, there would be a completely bloody, beaten down stranger lying in the gutter. No one would stand for that sort of intrusive inquiry. Additionally, many of Morrissey's lyrics are open to interpretation. Teenage girls are also the prey of charming men offering rides. So, if you are hearing only homosexual connotations, then maybe you need to do some self-reflection. Next, if people want to sell their eggs, cross-dress, adopt a child, or worship Morrissey, how is it any of your business? You seem to be transferring your own feelings of inadequacy to others. On to the next topic. Morrissey expressed his sadness at hearing the news of Margaret Dale's passing. He merely stated that if she was in such agony in life, then maybe she will be at peace now. How many other famous people would even bother to notice that one follower was gone? As for PETA, information is constantly manipulated in order to discredit the organization because they aggravate people who head wealthy corporations that totally disregard the suffering of animals just so they can maintain a set profit margin. Who has greater reason to lie, PETA or the McDonald's corporation? I am sorry that your life was difficult, but I would have to imagine that this is the case for many people here. That is why we feel a a connection to Morrissey; he articulates the darkest moments of life, the most painful emotions, things we would all like to scream about but just cannot seem to find the right words to do so; he finds those words and gives many of us a voice. How can you say that he is not the most "feeling person"? He feels things more intensely than most, and he has the talent to articulate those feelings in a beautifully poetic manner (I know, I know, People are the Same Everywhere sucks a giant dick;it's done and over, move on.) If you do not appreciate his work, his comments, his delicate mannerisms, then do not follow him. Spare yourself, and us. So let's be perfectly clear: I am not gay, not that there is anything wrong with that; I have two children that were conceived traditionally as opposed to being conceived by alternative means, not that there is anything wrong with that; so I have no vested interest in disputing your post, other than the fact that as a mother, as a human being, I find labeling and evaluating people that you do not know to be extremely harmful and hateful. Finally, I am a rabid Morrissey fan who graduated from university with a near perfect 4.0, and I assure you that I did not have to f*** anyone to accomplish that. If you want to throw down the gaunlet in a war of words, try using better sentence structure. Now that I have finished with you, I think that I will go sell one of my left-handed children to the first rich gay man I can find on the street.

Lynnda, not anonymous
People for the Ethical Treatment of Morrissey

that's a really honest, heartfelt defence of why people still stay in the lifeboat with Moz. I hope it reaches the shore.