New Morrissey interview at iOnline (Portuguese, published Sep. 30, 2014)

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Tells us that no tour is " just one more tour " and next week in Lisbon begins another tour in Europe
No one has yet sure which man even go onstage the Opera House on 6 October ( next Monday ) . But it is also this constant surprise that makes the phenomenon Morrissey . He debuted solo in 1988 with the album " Viva Hate " , and surprised all the skeptics who did not believe in the future of the singer after the end of the Smiths . Morrissey walked around the issue with mandatory albums and songs turned into classics. With that and a reasonable ego , feeding her comments against all odds ; that does not take away his sleep when the time comes to say " yes but only interviews by mail , and no questions about the Smiths ' ; and at the same time , gives you such an attitude that makes an ordinary mortal a pop star . Lisbon starts another European tour , now to present the songs of the recently published "World Peace Is None of Your Business " and is also out there that begins to answer our questions . If you answered all ? Of course not . But it could only be so .

" Tomorrow Read the full text in ionline and editing on paper "

 

[marred]

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http://www.theonion.com/articles/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock,10861/

Yet again you achieve new heights in ignorance. How do you do it?

 

[Anonymous]

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Yet again you achieve new heights in ignorance. How do you do it?

Yes, you're right. He and Jake were just friends.

 

[Morrissey_Sucks]

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"Some journalists and critics made reference to my friendship with Jake [Walters, written about in "Autobiography"], saying that it was a gay relationship, but what we had was an intense closeness. I do not think I have been homosexual, and he is of the same opinion. The world can not cope with closeness between men, but easily accepts that men kill each other."

The topic of Morrissey's "sexuality", "relationships", and "sexual preference" is getting old, tired, and nauseating. The man is obvious in denial about who/what he is and uses double talk and innuendos to confuse the subject.

Morrissey was once charming, witty, and endearing, he is now repetitive, boring, and becoming increasingly insignificant as an artist. And frankly, he only has himself to blame!

 

[Pokey]

I was just eating some dinner while I was reading this thread when I just realised something, I'm not actually eating dinner, I'm just being close with my dinner. It's a closeness with the food where it's inside me, but people probably can't handle that and prefer to label it as "eating". Yet you can easily accept that I could spew it up.

 

[realitybites]

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"Some journalists and critics made reference to my friendship with Jake [Walters, written about in "Autobiography"], saying that it was a gay relationship, but what we had was an intense closeness. I do not think I have been homosexual, and he is of the same opinion. The world can not cope with closeness between men, but easily accepts that men kill each other."

I think this confirms our suspicions for the reasons behind the edits in Autobiography. He is ashamed be be thought as being homosexual. Kind of insulting to the gay community, to say the least. If he were not ashamed he wouldn't feel compelled to correct everyone and conduct damage control at every turn. Why can't he just own it? I don't get it.

 

[Johnny Barleycorn]

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Yet again you achieve new heights in ignorance. How do you do it?

Marred, if you want to cuddle up on the sofa with your best mate and watch a movie, such as Brokeback Mountain for instance, or perhaps lace daisies into each other's hair whilst wandering hand in hand down by the river, and finish the evening off with a spot of butch, aggressively masculine mutual masturbation, feel free.

Just don't pretend you are straight.

I think a lot of homosexuals might find Morrissey's continued protestations quite offensive.

 

[Detritus]

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The topic of Morrissey's "sexuality", "relationships", and "sexual preference" is getting old, tired, and nauseating. The man is obvious in denial about who/what he is and uses double talk and innuendos to confuse the subject.

It really does read like an embarrassing, regressive denial at first glance. However, I think it might really be a matter of semantics for Morrissey---though I agree he is using doublespeak.

I suppose for him it comes down to what falls within the purview of homosexual feelings and behavior---what it actually means to be "homosexual". Morrissey clearly detests the homosexual label and does not want his relationships or his sexual identity viewed through such a narrow prism. If I had to guess based on his other statements regarding sexuality, I'd say it's because he renounces the notion of compulsory heterosexuality and does not view sexuality as a binary dichotomy, hence his refusal to identify as gay. For Morrissey, it is not a matter of either gay or straight.

That said, it is plainly obvious that the nature of his "closeness" with Jake Walters went beyond merely male friendship. If it didn't, Morrissey wouldn't speak of it in terms of a closeness the conventional world would feel threatened by, as the only closeness between men that the world has had difficulty "coping" with is closeness of a romantic or sexual nature. Even disregarding the observable evidence of Morrissey's feelings for Jake, he himself, in his own words, described what they had as love--a love much more significant and powerful than mere friendship. There were "no secrets of flesh or fantasy" between them. I doubt the secrets of the flesh he refers to are the mysteries of the bro hug.

I would like to think that Morrissey views sexuality as a much more complex matter than the majority of society does, and that is why he believes he has never "been homosexual". However, if it happens that I'm wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt, and he really is categorically denying any romantic feelings towards Jake, or denying ever feeling same-sex attraction in general, even after alluding to it in his book in every possible way except in name, then it is deepy sad.

I think this confirms our suspicions for the reasons behind the edits in Autobiography. He is ashamed be be thought as being homosexual. Kind of insulting to the gay community, to say the least. If he were not ashamedc he wouldn't feel complelled to correct everyone and conduct damage control at every turn. Why can't he just own it? I don't get it.

I had the same thought about the edits.

 

[Deleted member 6305]

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Give the man a break !

NO! He must be all things to all men.

 

[Anonymous]

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Why can't you guys give it a rest.

You overanalyze his words etc.

You say he's ashamed of being gay etc - he has had both

Let it go let it go .....

 

[Anonymous]

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Yes, Morrissey. We all believe you are straight.

 

[CrystalGeezer]

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Let me guess: everything the man does is because he's f***ing someone. You have problems.

Nope. I went to bed. Take a class in crazy pls kthx.

 

[CrystalGeezer]

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I would like to think that Morrissey views sexuality as a much more complex matter than the majority of society does, and that is why he believes he has never "been homosexual". However, if it happens that I'm wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt, and he really is categorically denying any romantic feelings towards Jake, or denying ever feeling same-sex attraction in general, even after alluding to it in his book in every possible way except in name, then it is deepy sad.

I don't think he's denying the love and romance they shared, I think it's semantics. AND I think it's Jake's WIFE perstering Jake to pester Morrissey to clear that shit up so his BABY doesn't grow up thinking his/her mom is a beard and his/her dad is Cole Porter.

It's politics. He's doing his friend a solid and everyone wants to make it about his SHAME. Morrissey loves the gheys. Everyone needs to stop getting their edible panties in a wad.

 

[Anonymous]

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I don't think he's denying the love and romance they shared, I think it's semantics. AND I think it's Jake's WIFE perstering Jake to pester Morrissey to clear that shit up so his BABY doesn't grow up thinking his/her mom is a beard and his/her dad is Cole Porter.

It's politics. He's doing his friend a solid and everyone wants to make it about his SHAME. Morrissey loves the gheys. Everyone needs to stop getting their edible panties in a wad.

Jake's wife? And his baby? Jake's wife...

 

[Anonymous]

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I don't think he's denying the love and romance they shared, I think it's semantics. AND I think it's Jake's WIFE perstering Jake to pester Morrissey to clear that shit up so his BABY doesn't grow up thinking his/her mom is a beard and his/her dad is Cole Porter.

It's politics. He's doing his friend a solid and everyone wants to make it about his SHAME. Morrissey loves the gheys. Everyone needs to stop getting their edible panties in a wad.

I don't think Jake's girlfriend is the problem. She's a Morrissey fangirl (tattoo and all) who wasn't even alive when the Smiths broke up.


Morrissey should have done himself a favour and not even brought up Jake at all in the interview.

 

[Johnny Barleycorn]

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I don't think he's denying the love and romance they shared, I think it's semantics. AND I think it's Jake's WIFE perstering Jake to pester Morrissey to clear that shit up so his BABY doesn't grow up thinking his/her mom is a beard and his/her dad is Cole Porter.

It's politics. He's doing his friend a solid and everyone wants to make it about his SHAME. Morrissey loves the gheys. Everyone needs to stop getting their edible panties in a wad.

I think you're right, CG, but he could have helped out his mate by not naming him in the UK edition at all. It's not as if the book was a warts and all exposition of the unvarnished truth.

Perhaps he'll finally come out when his mother kicks the bucket, like George Michael, who was living the life of a straight, handsome, wealthy superstar just never ever seen in public with a woman, until just 14 months after his mother's death, when he was caught by the fuzz in an LA toilet cubicle.

That arrest didn't seem to affect Michael's career. He just stopped writing decent pop songs. Hmmm...

I seem to remember people were neither surprised or appalled by the George Michael scandal. Fast forward nearly twenty years and Tom Daley coming out and the consensus seemed to be a raised eyebrow that Daley himself didn't realise he was as gay as a tangerine, but a studied disinterest.

By partially addressing these issues in his book Morrissey has really ended up with the worst of both worlds. No publisher would have wanted a Morrissey life story which did not address his sexuality to some degree, but by half heartedly answering, in a typically guarded manner, he has made things much worse.

I suppose at this point he is lucky anyone wants to interview him at all. That smartarse dancing on the head of a pin stuff is very old fashioned. If you get to your mid-50s and you are still not sure if you are Arthur or Martha either shut up about it entirely, or seek psychiatric help.

 

[CrystalGeezer]

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I think you're right, CG, but he could have helped out his mate by not naming him in the UK edition at all. It's not as if the book was a warts and all exposition of the unvarnished truth.

Perhaps he'll finally come out when his mother kicks the bucket, like George Michael, who was living the life of a straight, handsome, wealthy superstar just never ever seen in public with a woman, until just 14 months after his mother's death, when he was caught by the fuzz in an LA toilet cubicle.

That arrest didn't seem to affect Michael's career. He just stopped writing decent pop songs. Hmmm...

I seem to remember people were neither surprised or appalled by the George Michael scandal. Fast forward nearly twenty years and Tom Daley coming out and the consensus seemed to be a raised eyebrow that Daley himself didn't realise he was as gay as a tangerine, but a studied disinterest.

By partially addressing these issues in his book Morrissey has really ended up with the worst of both worlds. No publisher would have wanted a Morrissey life story which did not address his sexuality to some degree, but by half heartedly answering, in a typically guarded manner, he has made things much worse.

I suppose at this point he is lucky anyone wants to interview him at all. That smartarse dancing on the head of a pin stuff is very old fashioned. If you get to your mid-50s and you are still not sure if you are Arthur or Martha either shut up about it entirely, or seek psychiatric help.

The fact he mentioned Jake in the first place shows Morrissey has no shame about it, he's proud. That "I became a we" line that mercilessly got hacked was tear-inducingly beautiful and romantic. Do you think for a second Jake didn't read a pre-print proof and think "Yeah, this is accurate." Of course he did. But his wife didn't. I'm going to take it a step further and say it's Jake's mother-in-law that's causing all the confusion, not his wife exactly. The mother-in-law nags the wife and the wife nags the husband then the husband nags Morrissey and he has to be the hero. My own mother is batshit insane half the time but if she says jump I say how high. Respect for elders. If anything we should all be praising Morrissey for his valor at his attempt to rectify this situation, not shaming him for being a gay coward, which he isn't.

 

[Anonymous]

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The fact he mentioned Jake in the first place shows Morrissey has no shame about it, he's proud. That "I became a we" line that mercilessly got hacked was tear-inducingly beautiful and romantic. Do you think for a second Jake didn't read a pre-print proof and think "Yeah, this is accurate." Of course he did. But his wife didn't. I'm going to take it a step further and say it's Jake's mother-in-law that's causing all the confusion, not his wife exactly. The mother-in-law nags the wife and the wife nags the husband then the husband nags Morrissey and he has to be the hero. My own mother is batshit insane half the time but if she says jump I say how high. Respect for elders. If anything we should all be praising Morrissey for his valor at his attempt to rectify this situation, not shaming him for being a gay coward, which he isn't.

Jake isn't married, but his girlfriend is a 25-year a morrissey fan.

 

[CrystalGeezer]

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NO! He must be all things to all men.

No pressure.

 

[Famous when dead]

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It really does read like an embarrassing, regressive denial at first glance. However, I think it might really be a matter of semantics for Morrissey---though I agree he is using doublespeak.

I suppose for him it comes down to what falls within the purview of homosexual feelings and behavior---what it actually means to be "homosexual". Morrissey clearly detests the homosexual label and does not want his relationships or his sexual identity viewed through such a narrow prism. If I had to guess based on his other statements regarding sexuality, I'd say it's because he renounces the notion of compulsory heterosexuality and does not view sexuality as a binary dichotomy, hence his refusal to identify as gay. For Morrissey, it is not a matter of either gay or straight.

That said, it is plainly obvious that the nature of his "closeness" with Jake Walters went beyond merely male friendship. If it didn't, Morrissey wouldn't speak of it in terms of a closeness the conventional world would feel threatened by, as the only closeness between men that the world has had difficulty "coping" with is closeness of a romantic or sexual nature. Even disregarding the observable evidence of Morrissey's feelings for Jake, he himself, in his own words, described what they had as love--a love much more significant and powerful than mere friendship. There were "no secrets of flesh or fantasy" between them. I doubt the secrets of the flesh he refers to are the mysteries of the bro hug.

I would like to think that Morrissey views sexuality as a much more complex matter than the majority of society does, and that is why he believes he has never "been homosexual". However, if it happens that I'm wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt, and he really is categorically denying any romantic feelings towards Jake, or denying ever feeling same-sex attraction in general, even after alluding to it in his book in every possible way except in name, then it is deepy sad.



I had the same thought about the edits.

This topic has always interested me, but I don't think it's as complex as it sounds.
Moz lived through a difficult time to be openly gay. He clearly indicates an affinity with the Kenneth Williams / Charlie Hawtree / Wilfred Bramble closeted types who loved men but wrestled with the guilt of being a 'queer' or 'poofta'. That quiet denial but being camp and hinting all the time through ambiguous lyrics is his way of dealing with it. I wouldn't expect a man in his 50's who lived through times where men were jailed for loving and 'queer bashing' was rife to suddenly start wearing rainbow scarves and proclaiming their sexual identity from the rooftops.
Especially not when they have a secretive lifestyle, isolate themselves and have bouts of depression etc. His whole mindset appears to be: never own up to it as it will ruin the mystique, hence he will never 'own it'. This reluctance appears, imho, to be related to his socialisation, the views of the day, his love of earlier times (when it was even more difficult to be open) and how he created an image for himself.
I would totally expect him to back track, double speak and minimise the Jake issue. In fact, doing the aforementioned in an interview is almost progress! That, however has taken many, many years so I wouldn't hold on for the coming out party.
Kind regards,
FWD

 

[CrystalGeezer]

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Jake isn't married, but his girlfriend is a 25-year a morrissey fan.

He knocked up a Morrissey fan? Plot twist.